NA cam VS FI

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No one is saying pat g don't know his stuff. Dude may be a beast. BUT understand. Somewhere someone designed a cam. If he changes a number here and there and calls it his. He STOLE that man's work and charged YOU for it. So you payed him to find a ots cam that would work well with your set up and payed him to put his name on it. IMO if there is a ots cam that would work great he should charge people for his expertise. And him direct the customer to the correct cam for their application. It's not saying the person can't pick a cam, or in some cases design a hell of a cam, it's saying that being honest is important still. If he charged someone 20 bucks for him to look at every aspect of their set up wrote down some numbers and it turned out the same as a grind that is already offered and he told the customer that. Well his rep wouldn't have gotten so much hell. The fact his cams work isn't in question. It's that someone else did the work before he called it custom is.

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Seriously sounds like a lot of jealousy here. The guy has obviously spent a ton of time doing research, buying cam application software, analyzing data from customers and successfully selecting a camshaft that works well for their particular application. You might as well be calling anyone who used someone else ideas a fraud when they take their idea or design and adjusts it for their needs. I'm a fraud, I took an STS design and modified it to fit my application. Who hasn't copied other's ideas and inventions?

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Seriously sounds like a lot of jealousy here. The guy has obviously spent a ton of time doing research, buying cam application software, analyzing data from customers and successfully selecting a camshaft that works well for their particular application. You might as well be calling anyone who used someone else ideas a fraud when they take their idea or design and adjusts it for their needs. I'm a fraud, I took an STS design and modified it to fit my application. Who hasn't copied other's ideas and inventions?

How are u a fraud? You just said you took someone else's design and used it. Nothing wrong with that. You give credit to the original there.. But if you said " I came up with a rear mount kit for the trucks. I don't know who sts is" that would be approximately the same thing. I feel from business stand points. If he specs a cam that comes out as a ots cam. He charge the customer for the expertise and tell them to get the ots cam.
If I asked you to pick me a cam using your knowledge. Which is superior to mine. And you pick me a tsp 228/228 does that make it a redheartbeat custom cam?

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he doesn't invent cam lobe profiles, lift amounts and durations, he just recommends ones that work to people that lack the knowledge to properly select a camshaft. He obviously has cam data software and knows how to use it, plus he has feedback from his customers. Anyone can do what he is doing if they invest the time to learn how to do what he is doing. He is providing a service to those that don't know camshafts and how they work. People have to eat and I respect that, I feel he charges a fair rate for what he does. Many companies like Thunder have a base group of cams they try to push on their customers rather than trying to spec the best cam they can for a given vehicle application. I believe Pat G works for the customer, not the company since he is only selling his knowledge not a material item, AKA a camshaft. Have you used COMP's cam selection software? It's pretty cool but doesn't cover everything and it only recommends their shelf spec cams.

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Pat G is a Beast in my book...i rather pay him 25 bucks to spec me a perfect cam for my setup than just guess or run a cam everyone is already running

i remember back then i had a thumper cam in my 4.8 lmao

then swapped to a 6.0 had him spec me that 231 235 .617.620 113+2 cam for N/A and damm it was really hard to let it go when i decided to sell it...thats how happy i was with it...
the Guy knows his stuff........

now im running a new cam spect out from him for forced induction 222/222 .601.601 115....

[George C]

something to think about. you laugh at the thumper yet theres a guy with a stockish 6litre in a moddest weight RCSB that runs mid 11s with nothing special....look his combo up from a few years ago. 67509SS i believe was is name or close to it. some of those cams do work, just need other parts to match it.

Pat G is a Beast in my book...i rather pay him 25 bucks to spec me a perfect cam for my setup than just guess or run a cam everyone is already running

i remember back then i had a thumper cam in my 4.8 lmao

then swapped to a 6.0 had him spec me that 231 235 .617.620 113+2 cam for N/A and damm it was really hard to let it go when i decided to sell it...thats how happy i was with it...
the Guy knows his stuff........

now im running a new cam spect out from him for forced induction 222/222 .601.601 115....

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Like I said earlier. No one is questioning his know how. (least I am not) All I'm saying is I'd have Alot more respect and I feel Alot more people would as well if when the perfect cam came out to be a ots he would say "well you payed me 25 imma refund you 10 bucks and the cam you need is ______ from _______ being it's ots and not my cam I am not charging you full amount just for my time spent making sure. " that would be something respectable and fair to the people who spec'd it first.