Ok Guys Im Going To Give It A Shot.im Going To Purchase The Hp Suite From Np.
Since Im Going To Be A Noob At This,what's The Software Like?
Easy,medium,hard?
Should I Get The Regular Or Pro?since Im F/i.
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Ok Guys Im Going To Give It A Shot.im Going To Purchase The Hp Suite From Np.
Since Im Going To Be A Noob At This,what's The Software Like?
Easy,medium,hard?
Should I Get The Regular Or Pro?since Im F/i.
pro!! and good luck learning, read all you can on it at hptuners web site
YEA IM BACK AND FOURTH READING,HONESTLY IT LOOKS REAL DIFFICULT.HAVE YOU TRIED IT SKEET?Quote:
Originally Posted by skeet
yes i got the pro version!!Quote:
Originally Posted by chevrolade
ask skeet again ahahhaa, is it easy to do skeet?????
Before you jump into you should atleast have knowledge of peramerters should read!
good luck!!!
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Originally Posted by vv8
^^^^ i got good friends ;) ^^^
lots of knowledge to abosrb!!
You need to start reading as much as you can on EFI tuning.
Tons of books and internet pages to be found.
All the tuner softwares basically do the same thing and use the same tables
and concepts. Once you understand the basics you know what
table to hunt out in the software to make wanted changes.
Lot of it is just trial and error and experience from tuning other setups
Past that you just make small changes see what happens and change again.
There's no rocket science to it once you learn the basics and have a "base tune"
to work with.
im gonna go with pro,i guess ill give it a shot,that way i can monitor it at all times.is it hard just to send or email back and fourth runs-tunes?Thats crazy i didnt even know this was capable.
Whats the diff between pro and standard hptuner.
Pro, so you can watch the AFR in the scan, makes it a lot easier that way. Tuning really isnt that bad once you get the hang of it, read up and see what tables do what, you will be suprised at how many tables you really wont touch
but what if you got a AFR meter already set up, would you just have to right it down on a peace of paper.
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Originally Posted by 6.0vortecchevy
well lets say you are driving and scanning and you are watching the gauge and for some reason you see it drop down to 13.8 afr then goes back normal, how are you going to see exactly where it had that dip, imean you can kind of tell but with the afr right there in the scan graph its much much easier
Ok thanks alot, and is that the only reason for the pricing diff tho.
no pro has real time tuning and other little stuff that basic doesnt, i want pro but i will have to send my cable in and lose it for a couple of weeks and im just not okay to do that lol
are you sure about this? not calling you a liar at all becasue i really dont know about your trucks. i tune my obd1 truck with an emulator, and from my understanding the only way to tune in real time is to have an emulator, there is nothing to emulate on a pcm that you have to flash, theres no chip. so how can you tune in real time on somehting that you need to stop and reflash the pcm to get a new tune in? im not understanding. does it rewrite the operating system to load several different tunes at once and let you switch the tunes off in real time or soemthing like that maybe? that would be considered real time tuning i suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by mean05
and also, if it really can tune in real time(which is pretty damn cool), does efilive v2 also offer this?
RTT is supported on almost all vehicles up to '04, and others, it really depends on the vehicle and if HPT supports that calibration.Quote:
Originally Posted by chevy1500z71
Yes, HPT will allow you to RTT parameters. Once you're done, you simply stop and load the tune in. It saves tons of time, especially with FI SD tuning.
Depending on your vehicle, it allows you to RTT:
VE table
Spark Table
PE
Idle
IAC
02
VE-TPSVE
Once RTT is enabled, it allows you to RTT through the scanner. The tables in the scanner are identical to the editor, so it's a seamless crossover.
Not sure about efilive, I only use HPT.
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Originally Posted by chevrolade
Get the PRO.
If you're getting hptuners so you can learn to tune, then you'll need a solid foundation in EFI concepts, terminology, etc. Believe it or not, it really helps to know how carbs and distributors work as well.
If you're getting hptuners because it's hard to get up for a live tune and you want to optimize your tune via email, then you're set. I'll do all the work and you'll simply send me feedback and I'll email you a retune.
ttyl,
allen
woooo, you lost me there, how do you real time tune if you "stop and hit the load button when your done". what is considered to be real time tunning on these trucks is my main question i guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by farmtruc
when i tune with my emulator, i can change a value on my VE table and it automatically changes as im driving, and i can watch my air fuel ratio and get it perfect, imo its the only way to tune, any other way would be a big pain in the ass. i feel bad for the guys who have to burn chips on the pr 95 trucks. the emulator is my chip and the program is connected with the emulator. all my tuning is done through an emulator, nothing gets done on a aldl port except dataloging.
I don't know the magic behind the RTT, but I'm assuming it does this:Quote:
Originally Posted by chevy1500z71
When you start the scanner and click the RTT button you can choose from ve,pe,spark,etc tables. The scanner copies the calibration table you want to edit into RAM, then forces the PCM to use the RAM table. The pcm ve table and ram table are now identical and the vehicle is using the ram table.
Now you're able to make on-the-fly changes , RTT, while you're driving to the ram table. yes, a/f moves up and down as you're making changes realtime.
Once you're done tuning realtime, you simply copy the ve ram table to the editor's ve table and you load the tune in the pcm. Yes, there is a final step you must perform, you must right the ram ve table to the pcm when you're done. So, yes, it's RTT, however, the changes must be uploaded in the end.
The old way of doing it was, collect as much data as you can with the scanner, then turn off the vehicle, then load the changes, then continue this time consuming cycles until the tune is perfect. During an SD RTT session/tune, I probably make 50changes and only have to pull over to write the change once.
see i wanted to say what RTT is and how it works but i dont have the RTT on mine so i couldnt word it right...i however have to scan for 30 secs turn off the scanner flash a new tune and repeat...hell i did 30 startups on mine to get the stft's to 0ish...pain in my assQuote:
Originally Posted by farmtruc
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Originally Posted by mean05
Ya, no sh!t it's a pita lol. I don't think any '05 and newer have the ability, yet (at least i haven't seen one). I remember hptuner support saying something about there isn't enough free space in the pcm to emulate the tables on '05+. I would love to just have enough for the ve table, the rest don't take much time to edit.
That's why I hate tuning my '05 Av lol.
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Originally Posted by farmtruc
yeah and then driving down the road...oh theres a spot i need to pull a little from...gotta pull over and flash it and start driving again and get into 3/4 throttle..oh theres another spot, pull over again....then you are finally like screw it, its close enough lmao
hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by mean05
o, i understand completely now. thats really cool that you can do that on an ecm that you would normally have to flash. i didnt know that your guys ecms had any ram data or whatever hptuners forces it to use while you realtime tune. i was a bit thrown off becasue the words real time tunning only go with an emulator in the world of tuning, an ecm with no chip=no emulator= no real time tuning, i had no idea that the ecm was capable of using like a temporary ram data for a few of you tables, then when your done load the changes to your real memory, not temporary memory/ram or whatever you want to call it. does efilive offer this?
does anyone use the roadrunner emulator ecms? does anybody even buy there stuff from moates.net and had a chance to check the roadrunner ecm out? its pretty pricey, but it is true real time tuning all the time with an emulator, i doubt its worth the money tho.
i believe Efilive does offer the same kind of RTT, its been a while since i have seen that program
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Originally Posted by chevy1500z71
It just seems to complicated to pull the pcm with the roadrunner stuff.
I used to do that sh!t with ls1edit. Everytime you wanted to load an update, you'd have to pull the pcm and use the battery with a bench harness, what a pita!!!
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Originally Posted by farmtruc
You don't understand the RR then. You install it in the truck, (takes like 2 minutes, right?) you can even leave it in there forever if you wanted. Then you connect the EFILive cable to your OBD II port as normal and the RR has its own USD cable that connects to your laptop too for the real time editing of the PCM. There is also a wireless Blue Tooth option if you don't want to run a small usb cable from the PCM to your laptop.
Then you can tune EVERY table in the PCM, even have the wide band correcting the VE on the fly, or idle tuning, shift pressures, what every you want with out ever turning anything off. When your happy with the WHOLE tune, you simply save the file with a new name on you laptop, swap the stock PCM back in and then flash the newly created tune to the PCM and your done and on to the next vehical. It's pretty cool, I wish I had one, lol. If I did more custom tuning for other people I would. :D
YUP! EFIlive has the advantage on live tuning....way better than what HPTuners has so far....and yes i have HPT....lol