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    I just got my GMHTP mag in and there's an article on page 11 that says some of the camaro and firebird/transam guys may be running around with an ls6 block.

    In 98 GM used two providers for the ls1 block. Montupet in Canada and Nemak in Mexico. Montupet uses gravity-feed process and uses a combo of metallic dies and sand cores. Nemak uses low-pressure fan process, which is more of a hi performance process.
    Then in 01 GM needed to redesign the ls1 to be a stronger ls6. Since Nemak's materials are stronger they went with them.
    But still had Montupet provide ls1 blocks.

    During the redesign so many were made that GM allowed some blocks to spill over into f-bodies. It is said that 10-15 percent of all 2001 f-cars and around 25percent of 02 f-cars are running around with ls6 blocks.

    To confirm: look behind the drivers-side and see if you can see the back of the left-hand deck, above the transmission flange.
    A cast-in 12561168 denotes the LS6 block.

    A harder way to tell is, the Montuupet plant cast is shinier, the Nemak plant made duller, stronger block castings. I know that's hard to tell, but it's what the magazine says.

    Starting in 03 all ls1/ls6 blocks will be of this newer Nemak configuration.

    BTW, the ls6 block ventilates 87% more than the ls1, which is less pumping loss at high rpm. No official hp claims have been made, but it does increase hp.


    later,


    allen
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    That may be why some of TA are out running vetts.
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    Allen,

    Can you post a picture of where the stamp is located? I am hpoing I have one of these blocks.
    1991 Formula Firebird

    2001 LS1/4L60E, 3.23 posi rear
    Comp XE 216/216 .577/.577 114LSA cam
    918 Springs, hardened pushrods
    Yank SS3600 torque converter
    PCM reprogrammed for cam and converter
    3" exhaust
    BRM Adjustable torque arm, tubular read LCAs
    Spohn Adjustable panhard bar, front steering brace
    Spohn Subframe Connectors
    4th Gen style wheels
    Bilsteins sport struts and shocks

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    It's almost impossible to take a pic of it (with the engine in the truck) but here goes, i'll try to describe it:

    -Pop the hood and looking at the engine, go to the right side. The driver side.
    -If your head can fit, lol, stick it between the firewall and cylinder head. Just below the cylinder head, stamped on the block (actually casted in)
    will be the number.

    let us know what you can find,

    hopefully, someone can chime in and post a pic of their ls1 they just bought :wink:




    later,

    farmtruc

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    Originally posted by farmtruc@Apr 22 2003, 03:52 PM

    hopefully, someone can chime in and post a pic of their ls1 they just bought :wink:
    hint hint right.... should be here friday, maybe have pics over the weekend

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    Allen,

    I send you a picture I took of the engine before installation. Let me know what you think.

    BILL
    1991 Formula Firebird

    2001 LS1/4L60E, 3.23 posi rear
    Comp XE 216/216 .577/.577 114LSA cam
    918 Springs, hardened pushrods
    Yank SS3600 torque converter
    PCM reprogrammed for cam and converter
    3" exhaust
    BRM Adjustable torque arm, tubular read LCAs
    Spohn Adjustable panhard bar, front steering brace
    Spohn Subframe Connectors
    4th Gen style wheels
    Bilsteins sport struts and shocks

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    ok, no problem,

    hey, what's the latest word on your project?

    care to share with all of us, i know you have a sht load of mods, sounds nice.



    allen

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    It is in the final stages of wiring. I am hoping it will take its first breath this week. Here is the punch list:

    Finish harness
    PCM tuning
    LS1 Cruise control
    Exhaust
    Charge A/C
    Install SFCs

    I had a dream I was driving it last night. It was fast. :lmao:
    1991 Formula Firebird

    2001 LS1/4L60E, 3.23 posi rear
    Comp XE 216/216 .577/.577 114LSA cam
    918 Springs, hardened pushrods
    Yank SS3600 torque converter
    PCM reprogrammed for cam and converter
    3" exhaust
    BRM Adjustable torque arm, tubular read LCAs
    Spohn Adjustable panhard bar, front steering brace
    Spohn Subframe Connectors
    4th Gen style wheels
    Bilsteins sport struts and shocks

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    Congrats. Hopefully its up and going soon and you can tell us about it.
    91 s10 - bagged and bodydropped...getting rebuilt
    91 nissan - backhalfed and bagged

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    Good news! I was viewing some pictures of my engine and was able to find the casting 12561168 the 5 almost looks like a 3 but everything else is clear. It's all about cheap thrills until I can drive it.
    1991 Formula Firebird

    2001 LS1/4L60E, 3.23 posi rear
    Comp XE 216/216 .577/.577 114LSA cam
    918 Springs, hardened pushrods
    Yank SS3600 torque converter
    PCM reprogrammed for cam and converter
    3" exhaust
    BRM Adjustable torque arm, tubular read LCAs
    Spohn Adjustable panhard bar, front steering brace
    Spohn Subframe Connectors
    4th Gen style wheels
    Bilsteins sport struts and shocks

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