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    4l60e questions

    Alright well i got my tranny back and the second i got it back it still didnt have 3ird gear or 4th gear. But i have 1st gear great all the way through and the same with 2nd gear. But when it tries for 3ird it hit the rev limiter and O/D doesnt work.

    Well ive already ordered a FLT but i just dumped $500 worth of parts into this thing so i dont want to just get ride of it. Im going to take it apart and try to fix it my self. I was wondering what you guys think is broken so i know what to go buy.

    If you guys think its just the 3-4 clutch cant i replace them buy just removing the front part of the tranny? Will i need any special tools?

    I have read this and was a huge help on understanding the tranny.
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    Thanks alot guys,

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    Gotta pull it out then remove the pump to get to the 3-4. The 3-4 stack is in the input housing along with the forward and overrun set. Might need a special tool to pull the pump.

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    Any more input? I know that i will have to remove the transmission thats the easy part. Do you guys think its just the 3-4 clutch pack or does it sound like something else could be screwed up like the band or any other clutches? Just letting you guys know though this tranny was supposivly rebuild with my parts i gave him and it has no more that about 30 miles on it since then.

    Also would anyone be able to verify that i need a special tool for pulling the pump off?

    Thanks alot
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    LS6 CAM - 204/219 .551/.548 117.5
    243 Heads w/ Light Weight Valves
    Exhast- LT Pacesetters w/ory, 3" Straight pipe
    Suspension- DJM 4/6, Doetsch Shocks, Caltracs
    Need a ported DBW TB > http://www.ls1truck.com/forums/sale-...ale-trade.html

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    Most common problem for this condition is the 3-4 clutch pack just being worn out, it's definitely a weak point in these transmissions. Sometimes the machining is bad where the pump slides over the input shaft teflon seals too which will cause lower pressure to the clutch plates and they'll wear prematurely.

    What parts did you give the person to "rebuild" it? To get the pump off you need to pull the pan off after you get the trans out to get the TCC solenoid out before hand. To get the TCC solenoid out you have to take the TCC PWM valve out first. It's held into the valve body with a clip that can be taken out with a small pick. They tend to go flying if you aren't careful so be sure to watch where it flies if it comes out quickly. Then take the two 10mm bolts out that hold the TCC solenoid in. Pull it out. Then you'll have to get the bell housing off. They are a T50 Torx+, not a regular torx. After that's off the pump comes out after the 7 13mm bolts are taken out. Be sure to take the small seal off the input shaft before you lift the pump up. There was a time where our special tool was MIA after a renovation in the shop and I had to get them out without it. Sometimes it's easier said than done. Some will slide up fairly easy and others can be a bit of a pain. Grab the pump shaft and wiggle while pulling up and it should come out. Sometimes I'd take a screwdriver with a rag over the tip to gently pry up on the edge of the pump to help if it was stuck.

    Once that's out, pop the 2-4 band off of it's anchor pin in the case, pull up on the input shaft and the input drum and reverse input drum will all come out as one assembly. Take the reverse input drum off of the input drum. Be sure to keep track of where all of the thrust bearings and washers go. The 3-4 clutch back is the top clutch pack in the input drum. Take the snap ring out and the top plate. Remove the boost springs from around the outer edge of the drum and remove the clutch plates. Chances are they're smoked and you'll need new fibre and steel plates.

    Getting everything back together can be a bit tricky when trying to get all the clutch plates to line up. Put the reverse input drum onto the input housing, make sure the thrust washer and bearing are in place. Rotate the reverse input drum back and forth and you'll feel and hear the clutches dropping down. After it's fully in place then place the whole assembly into the case and do the same thing, this one is usually a bit trickier. Once that's all in, put the band back in place and now you're ready to put the pump back in. Use vaseline to hold the plastic thrust ring onto the bottom of the pump when putting it in. Make sure you use a new gasket for the top and bottom of the pump. The one on the inside is a paper type and the top one is a large ring that the bell housing holds in place. The torque specs are 22lb ft for the oil pump bolts and 52lb ft for the bell housing. Reinstall the TCC solenoid and TCC PWM valve. Put a new filter in, pan back on and your done!

    Wow, I kinda got carried away.
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    Yeah, that. ^^^^

    No matter how much a motor mouth I am I didn't want to try that but he's right. ^^^^

    You do not have to have a special tool for pump removal it's just the only one I could think of for going so un-far into the trans. Actually, Greg has a home engineered pump puller that is made out of top row small LS headbolts and driveshaft u-joint caps and works better than the GM Kent-Moore pump puller.

    Yes, I've seen it work.

    And yes, it is semi-common for the machining to be off wearing the $^$%#$ white teflon sealing rings...also usually killing the lower (rear) pump have and the input housing.

    If you wanna do it yourself, pull it out and go as far as you feel comfortable. Post pics and questions.

    Have fun getting the input housing all the way down and rehooking the 2-4 band though.

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    Ive seen someone pull a pump with a chain and 2 bolts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00shortbox View Post
    Most common problem for this condition is the 3-4 clutch pack just being worn out, it's definitely a weak point in these transmissions. Sometimes the machining is bad where the pump slides over the input shaft teflon seals too which will cause lower pressure to the clutch plates and they'll wear prematurely.

    What parts did you give the person to "rebuild" it? To get the pump off you need to pull the pan off after you get the trans out to get the TCC solenoid out before hand. To get the TCC solenoid out you have to take the TCC PWM valve out first. It's held into the valve body with a clip that can be taken out with a small pick. They tend to go flying if you aren't careful so be sure to watch where it flies if it comes out quickly. Then take the two 10mm bolts out that hold the TCC solenoid in. Pull it out. Then you'll have to get the bell housing off. They are a T50 Torx+, not a regular torx. After that's off the pump comes out after the 7 13mm bolts are taken out. Be sure to take the small seal off the input shaft before you lift the pump up. There was a time where our special tool was MIA after a renovation in the shop and I had to get them out without it. Sometimes it's easier said than done. Some will slide up fairly easy and others can be a bit of a pain. Grab the pump shaft and wiggle while pulling up and it should come out. Sometimes I'd take a screwdriver with a rag over the tip to gently pry up on the edge of the pump to help if it was stuck.

    Once that's out, pop the 2-4 band off of it's anchor pin in the case, pull up on the input shaft and the input drum and reverse input drum will all come out as one assembly. Take the reverse input drum off of the input drum. Be sure to keep track of where all of the thrust bearings and washers go. The 3-4 clutch back is the top clutch pack in the input drum. Take the snap ring out and the top plate. Remove the boost springs from around the outer edge of the drum and remove the clutch plates. Chances are they're smoked and you'll need new fibre and steel plates.

    Getting everything back together can be a bit tricky when trying to get all the clutch plates to line up. Put the reverse input drum onto the input housing, make sure the thrust washer and bearing are in place. Rotate the reverse input drum back and forth and you'll feel and hear the clutches dropping down. After it's fully in place then place the whole assembly into the case and do the same thing, this one is usually a bit trickier. Once that's all in, put the band back in place and now you're ready to put the pump back in. Use vaseline to hold the plastic thrust ring onto the bottom of the pump when putting it in. Make sure you use a new gasket for the top and bottom of the pump. The one on the inside is a paper type and the top one is a large ring that the bell housing holds in place. The torque specs are 22lb ft for the oil pump bolts and 52lb ft for the bell housing. Reinstall the TCC solenoid and TCC PWM valve. Put a new filter in, pan back on and your done!

    Wow, I kinda got carried away.
    This ^^ is the type of information i was looking for!! Thanks alot 00shortbox!

    Would you guys recommend replacing any other parts or think any other parts might be broken?

    Heres excatly whats in the trans...

    Beast shell, Transgo Shift Kit, Alto red egael master rebuild kit, All brand new solenoids, carbon 2-4 band, with wider reverse input drum and probly some other small things.

    Thanks!

    Brandon
    04 Silverado RCSB
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    LS6 CAM - 204/219 .551/.548 117.5
    243 Heads w/ Light Weight Valves
    Exhast- LT Pacesetters w/ory, 3" Straight pipe
    Suspension- DJM 4/6, Doetsch Shocks, Caltracs
    Need a ported DBW TB > http://www.ls1truck.com/forums/sale-...ale-trade.html

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    Yes, I didn't stress how big of a pain in the ass it is to get the input housing all the way down. The first few I did it must have take me a half hour to get them all the way down. It's one of those things where you develop the "knack" to doing it after you do a bunch. Once you do a few it only takes a few shakes, rattles and spins and it's down. It can be frustrating, but you can do it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LS6_Silverado View Post
    This ^^ is the type of information i was looking for!! Thanks alot 00shortbox!

    Would you guys recommend replacing any other parts or think any other parts might be broken?

    Heres excatly whats in the trans...

    Beast shell, Transgo Shift Kit, Alto red egael master rebuild kit, All brand new solenoids, carbon 2-4 band, with wider reverse input drum and probly some other small things.

    Thanks!

    Brandon
    Honestly Brandon, I know pretty much NOTHING about aftermarket internals for these things. I fix them for customers with GM parts, wish I knew more about the aftermarket world, thanks to this site I'm learning quite a bit myself!
    2000 Chevy Silverado RCSB LS6 5 speed, LS6 short block, 317 heads, LS6 intake, Lunati 220/224 .575/.575 112LSA cam, Edelbrock Headers, CTS-V accessory drive, Nelson Performance Custom Tune.

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