im not putting cats back in so thats not a huge deal. ive seen and felt and heard how daniels truck reacts with the pacesetters. 5-10 years from now when they take a crap i could buy another set and theyd look fresh not blued. i still dont see the value difference cuz im pretty sure daniel didnt spend 1200 total and he loves his headers. all in all i guess im just cheap but i think ill probably go with pacestters or something more cost effective. thatnks for ur input its more in depth than anyone else has explained i appreciate it.