looking for setup advice on front mount single/twin turbo lq4

[SCIV]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RotaryResurrection &#064; Feb 2 2007, 10&#58;33 PM) [snapback]82048[/snapback]</div>

So, does anybody know how much this kit actually COSTS, or is it some big secret? The website is basically non functional, which doesn&#39;t exactly inspire confidence in me as a buyer of their product if they can&#39;t even make a website work. When I started my shop years ago I realized that I had to have a clean, functional website in order to project an air of professionalism to get any work.

IF this is some one-off experimental kit, I&#39;m not sure I&#39;d be interested unless the price were very attractive. I mean, I can do "experimental" myself pretty reasonably (as stated above). IF I am paying a lot more money for a pre fabbed kit, it better be on the shelf and ready to ship within a week or 2, and it should come complete with everything I need to bolt it on and go, including at least a base safe computer program.
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It isn&#39;t a one-off or experimental. I have seen it in person at Allen&#39;s shop, and they are beautiful.

I want to say the hot parts go for &#036;2,400. I will see if I can find that thread.

[Jamest]

I HAVE NO TURBO LAG WITH MY SET UP. THE STALL REALLY HELPS. READ MY SIG.

JAMEST

[brent1976]

Link to thread with the price.

[SCIV]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(brent1976 &#064; Feb 3 2007, 11&#58;28 AM) [snapback]82114[/snapback]</div>

Link to thread with the price.
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Thanks Brent.

Here is another link from PT.net where Trick posted the hot parts kit:
Trick

[RotaryResurrection]

You know, the main thing that bothers me about the trick kit, is that on the passenger manifold, the runners from each cylinder run into the main pipe at a 90 degree angle. Perhaps testing has shown otherwise, but in my mind that has to KILL flow. Same thing for the wastegate dump tube into the downpipe. I was always taught to gently merge runners together at an angle less than 60 degrees for best flow.

I don&#39;t see that there&#39;s a problem with space that prevents doing this, I&#39;m just wondering why the kit was designed with all these 90 degree joints. I&#39;d love to hear from the designer/fabricator of the setup, perhaps they know something I have overlooked.

So let me get this straight. Trick offers the kit with no turbo, wastegate, etc. for 2400 bucks, just the PIPES? And then Nelson offers the same kit with turbo and other hardware for 4200...right?

[SCIV]

I am not going to act like a turbo expert, especially since I have a blower.

But from other&#39;s experience the log style (look for Parish posts) he seemed to make around 1,000 HP on what would appear to a less than optimum flowing manifolds (like you commented on).

[Jamest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RotaryResurrection &#064; Feb 3 2007, 05&#58;40 PM) [snapback]82147[/snapback]</div>

You know, the main thing that bothers me about the trick kit, is that on the passenger manifold, the runners from each cylinder run into the main pipe at a 90 degree angle. Perhaps testing has shown otherwise, but in my mind that has to KILL flow. Same thing for the wastegate dump tube into the downpipe. I was always taught to gently merge runners together at an angle less than 60 degrees for best flow.

I don&#39;t see that there&#39;s a problem with space that prevents doing this, I&#39;m just wondering why the kit was designed with all these 90 degree joints. I&#39;d love to hear from the designer/fabricator of the setup, perhaps they know something I have overlooked.

So let me get this straight. Trick offers the kit with no turbo, wastegate, etc. for 2400 bucks, just the PIPES? And then Nelson offers the same kit with turbo and other hardware for 4200...right?
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HOW MUCH HP ARE PLANNING TO MAKE? THE TRICK MANIFOLDS FLOW REALLY GOOD. THAT IS THE SET UP FOR MY FUTURE PROJECT. I &#39;VE SEEN A 1000HP ON THESE AS WELL. LOOK AT ALL THE BEND ON AN STS SETUP?(TONS OF BENDS, BUT IT FLOWS GREAT WITH NO LAG). I&#39;VE SEEN OVER A 1000 HP ON STS SYSTEMS. I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN RESEARCH ENOUGH TO TAKE OUT ALL THE MISTAKES WE MIGHT MAKE. YOU COULD MAKE SOME, BUT THEN YOU ARE NOW INTO THE GUESSING GAME WILL THEY WORK OR FAIL. SOME PEOPLE HAVE MADE THEIR OWN AND DO QUITE WELL, BUT I DO NOT HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE.
THERE IS ANOTHER SETUP, THE LIVERNOIS TURBO SETUP?
THIS IS MY .

JAMEST

[thunderwagen]

Like it was stated above both the trick kit and parish8&#39;s set up have log syle manifolds that dont look like they are going to flow crazy numbers, but if you stop and think about it a high flow manifold is going to hit a restriction when it hits the turbo anyways. Parish with a similar set up to tricks put out over 1000 hp with a single 88mm. His twins run two log manis with 90 degree bends and he is making more power with them. I think if you dont want to screw with the down time and the labor you would be well off going with the Trick kit. And if you want to see pictures and what not go to Nelsonperformance.com. Allen helped with the design of the kit, and im sure can help you with a tune for it.

[Trick1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RotaryResurrection &#064; Feb 3 2007, 05&#58;40 PM) [snapback]82147[/snapback]</div>

You know, the main thing that bothers me about the trick kit, is that on the passenger manifold, the runners from each cylinder run into the main pipe at a 90 degree angle. Perhaps testing has shown otherwise, but in my mind that has to KILL flow. Same thing for the wastegate dump tube into the downpipe. I was always taught to gently merge runners together at an angle less than 60 degrees for best flow.

I don&#39;t see that there&#39;s a problem with space that prevents doing this, I&#39;m just wondering why the kit was designed with all these 90 degree joints. I&#39;d love to hear from the designer/fabricator of the setup, perhaps they know something I have overlooked.

So let me get this straight. Trick offers the kit with no turbo, wastegate, etc. for 2400 bucks, just the PIPES? And then Nelson offers the same kit with turbo and other hardware for 4200...right?
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Hello everyone. and good day to you.
The hot pipes only retial at 2400.00 that does also include the oring gaskets at the flanges. The complete Trick INTRO kit is 4054.00 no intercooled. The kits are shipped complete or if someone wants just the hot parts we do that as well. Down fall to just hot pipes is we can say if your parts will fit the set up, if using different turbos or gates.

The log manifold has proven itself very effective. The 90&#39; turns have very little effect on final out put power. The runners are longer then other designs out there. No need in over complicating a design. Sure if totally maxing out the system you may gain another 20 or so HP. But at a huge cost, and a much more complicate design. Inside the manifold at boost there is back pressure. Pressure is great equalizer to flow. Meaning at 10psi even at a hard turn the gases will turn at a hi rate of speed. And those gases are not slamming into a solid wall. They are merging into the flow path of the other 5 cylinders. 4 from the drive and the back passenger are all moving the air forward. IT does not kill flow.
Another thing to look at. A true header or angle design, still introduces angles into flow path, either with bends, or angle tubing.
Another thing you are only going to get X amount of air throu the exhaust wheel. Others have modified their logs to a more traditional header / merge crossover with NO to little hp gains. To the point of commenting they spent good money and got marginal returns.
We put a 5000+ truck into the mid 13&#39;s at only 5psi. That says a huge amount of what this kit can do. Allen told me the 4x4 truck also beat his GTO in a street race. GTO spun but a loss is a loss

Now onto the gate, again hi pressure air hauling ass no problem with making the turn into the DP. The design does allow the end user to rotate the gate and have atomsphere dumping. DP will need to be blocked off. And there will still be a 90&#39; turn or really 2 even at that.

The kits come extemely complete and have good warranties on welds etc.

Now if some one does want a complete true tublar manifold with crossover merge it can be built. It would add a huge amount to the kit price. and an huge amount of time before delivery could happen. Oh yea and a deposit.

We have plenty of parts instock ready to ship. Hope this helps answer some questions and feel free to drop a pm, I do read this forum.
cheers

[thunderwagen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Turbo6.0L &#064; Feb 6 2007, 11&#58;31 PM) [snapback]82461[/snapback]</div>

Hello everyone. and good day to you.
The hot pipes only retial at 2400.00 that does also include the oring gaskets at the flanges. The complete Trick INTRO kit is 4054.00 no intercooled. The kits are shipped complete or if someone wants just the hot parts we do that as well. Down fall to just hot pipes is we can say if your parts will fit the set up, if using different turbos or gates.

The log manifold has proven itself very effective. The 90&#39; turns have very little effect on final out put power. The runners are longer then other designs out there. No need in over complicating a design. Sure if totally maxing out the system you may gain another 20 or so HP. But at a huge cost, and a much more complicate design. Inside the manifold at boost there is back pressure. Pressure is great equalizer to flow. Meaning at 10psi even at a hard turn the gases will turn at a hi rate of speed. And those gases are not slamming into a solid wall. They are merging into the flow path of the other 5 cylinders. 4 from the drive and the back passenger are all moving the air forward. IT does not kill flow.
Another thing to look at. A true header or angle design, still introduces angles into flow path, either with bends, or angle tubing.
Another thing you are only going to get X amount of air throu the exhaust wheel. Others have modified their logs to a more traditional header / merge crossover with NO to little hp gains. To the point of commenting they spent good money and got marginal returns.
We put a 5000+ truck into the mid 13&#39;s at only 5psi. That says a huge amount of what this kit can do. Allen told me the 4x4 truck also beat his GTO in a street race. GTO spun but a loss is a loss

Now onto the gate, again hi pressure air hauling ass no problem with making the turn into the DP. The design does allow the end user to rotate the gate and have atomsphere dumping. DP will need to be blocked off. And there will still be a 90&#39; turn or really 2 even at that.

The kits come extemely complete and have good warranties on welds etc.

Now if some one does want a complete true tublar manifold with crossover merge it can be built. It would add a huge amount to the kit price. and an huge amount of time before delivery could happen. Oh yea and a deposit.

We have plenty of parts instock ready to ship. Hope this helps answer some questions and feel free to drop a pm, I do read this forum.
cheers
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I personally think that the trick kit will flow stupid #&#39;s and make stupid power for anyone on this board for their street driven truck. Lets face it not too many people on here are trying to break any land speed records with a 5000-6000 lb truck&#33; Yes we all want to beat the A Hole next to us in the mustang, camaro, or vette, and that is possible with any turbo kit out on the market for our trucks. Right now with the Livernois kit on stand by the only options for us other than custom builds are the STS and the TRICK kit. I found an incredibly good deal on a Livernois kit from someone who bought it and never got around to installing it, other wise I would most likely be rolling with a Trick kit under the hood. Lets face it with a set up really similar to parish&#39;s original set up that made 1011 rwhp and ran 10&#39;s all day long do you really need to bitch about 90 degree turns in the manifold that arent going to make a bit of difference on the power levels you are trying to achieve with a stock motor? I dont think so. I think the kit looks good, and will perform well. I really dont think Allen or any one from Trick would be trying to sell you short, and you will definetly get what you pay for when you go with their kit. Just my drunken