Gavin I will try that I took off the maf about a month ago when I changed out the waterpump and cleaned out the throttle body and was it dirty. The insert wasnt there for the maf so It might be that i will have to check if the center piece is still in place or it is broke. Also I have about 160,000 miles and have never changed out the o2 sensors so I am guessing it is about time to do it. lol

Beatdown To be honest with you havent really noticed then again in houston it doesnt get cold lol but the other morning it did do something funny, it sounded like I had a mean cam loping really bad never died and after it warmed up it was fine. any suggestions.