Gm Is Dying:(

[mnc2fan]

give you and example.....Sheetmetal workers union which im in process of. The first year appentice makes 45k that is with benefit package. he isnt making 45 hr, he is making 13.5 hour but the rest is what is ticket is worth. his benefits are coverd and other expenses.

non union sheet metal worker is making 8.50 -10.0 out of school then he has to pay his part of his own benefits and etc


i went thru this when i was doing electrical. first year non union apprentice/helper as some call it i was offerd 8.50 hour and then they took benefits out. i had to do my electrical job and still work my old job as delieverly driver just to make ends meet. I made more and hour delievering pizzas [tips,wages together] so i could get my time in. Later did i realize that i was capped at 13hr. next step was foreman and no one is going to make a early 20s a foreman. most foremans were late 30s into 40s and that was 15 hr some made a few bucks more but average is 15.
i jumped shipped and started doing union plant work...i was paid very good money, i busted my arse and others slacked off. i hated this but then realize management was the fault not the most of the workers fault. yes you have to pay dues but what is 60-100 bucks a month when your making 5k a month?


also ive came to realize that non-union workers dont always want to show you the ropes as a young up/coming worker. they are afraid if they teach you then they can be replaced by you since you make less money. with the union they dont mind to teach you since others have taught them. if they teach you then you can help them get the job done......again the word ME stands out.....always about ME

I like that example. You've been on both ends, busted hump at both, and was only really getting paid what it takes when you joined the union. Give an equal opportunity. I can easily thank unions for that.

I respect the high ups when they don't need a union to be able to do that in the first place though. Some jobs work a lot better with unions, so it doesn't make a difference, and some again don't need them.

Seems like the skilled jobs it keeps things fair having union, I would think where problems arise from a union are the places that don't need them. Either unskilled labor, like a grocery store (non-skilled)not needed,and of course the rail road companies(skilled) I see its needed. Rail Road companies, if the management is not fair those guys busting hump won't get the fair pay. A grocery store no, sure its work, but you don't need a union for that, work or go home. Things in that store are always several bucks more expensive over anyone else. Fred Meyers if you're wondering.

If I was going for skilled labor jobs, unless I know of a place that will be fair to me without union, I would much rather work union. Any other type of work, I don't want to work for a union.

Age, I don't feel its a limit, if you can do your job, and do it well, age shouldn't be a reason to be let go. I know I wouldn't let a person go just because they were to old to do the job, if something were to happen, me personally, would let them retire early, with the same benefits. For me, working with whatever I would be doing, I wouldn't need the union to keep it fair. I'd pay you right.