when they are new, they hook pretty good. they wear down fast and once the tread gets about 1/2 way down they get flat out scarry in the rain. also, after you lose about 1/2 tread all traction goes out the window. i went to nitto 404's as a second set of tires and wont go back to the proxies. maybe im just a 1 case deal though. everyone else praises them...i feel like i just fell into the "toyo proxy hype". the 404's are a better tire IMO.