How to double your gas milage

Ok, when i went to austin last thursday and friday, we stayed at my wifes aunts house, and they show me this flyer that claims huge MPG increases, with potential of over 100 MPG even on large trucks and SUVs, and in the story there is a Mazda 3 that is claiming 121 MPG.

Anyways, i wanted to get a copy of it to check it out more later, because it had a website on the bottom of the page, well i ended up forgetting it, but did a google search and found it.

PICC

It is claiming that with there Hydro-assist fuel cell, you can atleast double your MPG no matter what car you drive. And they are developing a pre ignition cat converter that can use water and turn the fuel into a plasma, that burns so clean you get virtually nothing out of the tailpipe, and you will never have to change your oil because the fuel burns so clean it doesnt get dirty either.

Now they are saying the HAFC thing is available now, but the PICC is still in development, and once you order the HAFC you will be notified when the converter is available for your car.

They dont say what it cost, but i filled out the request a quote form and will post up what they tell me, suppose to get an email in a day or two.

Just thought id post this up and see what you guys think. Im sure its way expensive, and i read that when it comes time to buy the PICC for your car, it will increase the value orf your car so much, that it can be used as collateral for a loan to buy the PICC, sounds like a scam to me. Anyways view the video on the site and post up your feedback.

Pretty damn impressive if it works. Im sure they want an arm and leg for that because of so much savings. I would love to get 33 mpg with my 5.3!

i doubt that helps performance but that would be awesome on a commute vehicle ,but i work in the oil field so i wont be buying one

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Originally Posted by Screwd up 6

Pretty damn impressive if it works. Im sure they want an arm and leg for that because of so much savings. I would love to get 33 mpg with my 5.3!

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yeah, on my 03 5.3L im getting maybe 17-18 on the freeway, and id love to double that and would be happy as ****. But like you said, im sure it is quite expensive. Ill post up what they tell me.

I sent my info in...it sounds reasonable.

If I get 100mpg and it cost $2000- $5000, Ill buy it right now. the water tank in the back of the truck should help with traction. :lol: And i bet that since the engine is running more effeciantly, it has about the same, if not more power. I bet you could custom tune the new computer for boost and get 50-75mpg with 500whp. This stuf excites me. :hyper2:

A few observations, they may be completely off but...

"When they shut off the engine, the researchers reported that it coasted on the plasma for another two minutes."

Interesting, I didn't think you could burn plasma. Plasma has no electrons, and is just superheated gas. IMO it just doesn't sound right.

"The Fuel Cell is the heart of the system. It separates water into hydrogen and oxygen, and adds the hydrogen to the fuel mixture, making the fuel mixture rich so the computer can “lean” the fuel. The unit is built of durable stainless steel. It can be used even in freezing weather."

Hydrogen gas has less potential when burnt than gasoline. and it would make the mix rich, but only by displacing oxygen

"The Vaporizer contains 6 powerful magnets"

magnets? really... magnets? since when is fuel magnetic, it comes from the same place as rubber and plastic.


" * 6 x 6 x 4-1/2
* draws 15 amps
* produces 50-70 liters of hydrogen/oxygen mixture per hour"

My off road lights use more power than that, if hydrogen was that easy to make everything would run on it.


"The Covalizer is a blend of special chemicals added to the fuel that helps “crack” the fuel into smaller molecules and aid vaporization, so your engine burns the fuel more completely, yielding greater fuel economy."

Any alkali will break down petroleum products into little pieces. But it kills lubricity, try adding some bleach to your oil or gas and see how it works out, you'll be getting great mileage, because you'll be walking.


I think its a scam

i think its a scam also :imwstupid:

Also, they have about the cheesiest video ever. If you want better gas mileage I do have one suggestion however, A friend of mine has a cammed TBI 350 which gets 9 mpg. Bolted up an after market overdrive and now it gets between 16-22. Thats not "300%" but its actually based on reasonable principals, higher gear = lower engine rotation/faster speed. I think he said it was a GV unit, but the cost is prohibitive in many cases. They run close to the cost of a supercharger and a supercharger gives you something you can't put a price on ":) per gallon"

Yeah, I have seen and read about this stuff. I think it is feasible, but there needs to be more development with this stuff. I am sure that hydrogen powered cars is the way of the future, its just going to take some time for us to get there. Until then, I am going think diesels is the way to go. I can't wait until the 2010 half-ton diesel comes out :)

Yeah it sounds really good, and they even say that the New cat isnt even ready yet, so they are trying to sell you the HAFC setup and getting yo all hyped up for when they come out with the PICC.

From the website, and in the email saying id get my price quote in a few days, heres is one of my favorite parts.

"We are also working on a very unique financing program for the PICC upgrade. Having a PICC is expected to greatly increase the value of your car. So much so, that the car itself could be the collateral for a loan to buy the PICC. All you may need is the title and no matter what your credit is like, you will be accepted for that loan. If your car is still being financed, this funder would just refinance it with the PICC on it. The payments should be less than half the amount of the monthly savings."


That right there tells you it is going to be very expensive, which is one reason why i kinds believe it possible that this would work. The OEM's know how to drastically improve MPG on all cars and trucks, but the technology is very expensive, and none of us want to pay for it, and if they put it on all the cars they sell, well they wouldnt sell very many and go out of business. And the BS CAFE standards wont help.

The covalizer thing sounds like they want you to keep buying an additive you have to put in your gas every fill up, which means they get to keep sticking it to you.

Ok, well i got my price quote for the HAFC kit that they have ready now, 1040 plus 25 S&H, and its guarenteed to increase your milage my 50% or send it back for a full refund, but most customers have seen between 50 and 95% increase.

It hints at the cost of the PICC once its available, in the 2-3K range. Also says that with a car that gets 20 MPG now, and at 3 bucks a gallon the HAFC kit will pay for itelf in a little over a year.

Like i said before, it sounds really good on paper, just not sure of the real world savings. If i had the grand to play with id def put it on my truck and give it a shot.

So, you going to try it?

How much does the cracker solvent cost and how much does it use?

wow, this is crazy

-JEFF haha you used tylers pic on ur avi too haha :LOL:

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Originally Posted by RedHeartbeat

So, you going to try it?

How much does the cracker solvent cost and how much does it use?

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it didnt sAy anything about that, so im assuming its included. If i had the grand i could spend on it, id buy it and give it a shot. Sounds good in theory, just not sure how it would work out in the real world. Seems alot of there data is based or perfectly controlled labratory conditions.

Not sure id spend 2-3K on the PICC thing though, but maybe, if i had the HAFC on the truck and got 50% plus MPG improvments, might be worth it, seeing as gas is only going to get more expensive, and it would pay for itself in a year or two.

I think that guy in the video is smokin' that S***!!!!

I started looking into this "product" yesterday and it looks like a complete load of bull. None of what they're saying about how their the HAFC or the PICC works makes any sense. The whole thing with buying the HAFC and getting the PICC later is beyond shady. Their "mechanic training" has pyramid scheme written all over it. The guy doing the demo is a certified fraud with a restraining order in New Mexico forbidding him from trying to sell his "free energy" garbage.

Please, do not give these snake-oil salesman any money unless you REALLY believe what they're saying. And if you do, I have some prime beachfront property in Nebraska I'm selling cheap...

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Originally Posted by bearda

I started looking into this "product" yesterday and it looks like a complete load of bull. None of what they're saying about how their the HAFC or the PICC works makes any sense. The whole thing with buying the HAFC and getting the PICC later is beyond shady. Their "mechanic training" has pyramid scheme written all over it. The guy doing the demo is a certified fraud with a restraining order in New Mexico forbidding him from trying to sell his "free energy" garbage.

Please, do not give these snake-oil salesman any money unless you REALLY believe what they're saying. And if you do, I have some prime beachfront property in Nebraska I'm selling cheap...

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how much? i would like to live in nebraska

pm sent

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Originally Posted by ChevyLee

how much? i would like to live in nebraska

pm sent

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x2, i love nebraska in the summer time.

we can be room mates :melissa:

that is the biggest bull **** i have ever heard of in my life omg lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One of the original concepts of this kind of fueling , kind of strange I stumbled on to this stuff several months ago .
DIY ?
Water fuel cell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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i think one day it will be possible, but im not sure the technology is there just yet to put something like this in production on a large scale.