Gm Is Dying:(

got a letter now from chevy,

thank you for your buisness ,etc etc and it says GM SHALL LIVE!!
just a new beginning to a new change:)

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Originally Posted by DBTBSS

Get rid of the Unions... Get rid of the problems! As a Texan, I'm tired of supporting these midwest, yankee states... It's the Robin Hood Act! Look at every state that has high unemployment right now including California, which will be next to file bankruptcy. My parents, nor my grandparents ever benefited from a Union and/or never were part of one and we didn't go without. Times have changed and the day of the Unions is gone... if not, America as a whole will never get out of this hole. Do Work Son!! Don't hide behind a Union cause your a weak minded lazy slacker.

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i call bullshoot. you and your family have relied on unions your entire life....trucking industry, without the big truckers you wouldnt have produce you wouldnt have truck parts, you wouldnt have the stuff in your house and etc. your thinking 5 foot radius think of everything there is involved with unions not just yourself. the Train industry also provides alot of the stuff we relie on and are also union.

your building structures are union workers. PPL think union is all greed its not all greed. its the one that were not in a union saying this

if all unions were gone you wouldnt have some of the luxuries you have now



the biggest down fall with a union is you have some lazy ppl working the system but then again you have minorities doing the same thing.


if it wasnt for unions you would be treated like no body. you could be the hardest working person and etc but if your boss didnt lke you you are treated like no one. is that fair? no.....the unions fixes this

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Originally Posted by Quik

wasnt for unions some trades wouldnt get paid what they deserve you would have BS contractors paying next to nothing for a skilled trade. Unions help the worker get paid for their skill and help ppl keep their jobs that deserve them. Now yes there are ppl that work the system and are able to keep employed by the union protection. I disagree on this but am for the protection. Without union you have no secruity in a job

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Except for labor law that protect you , with out paying dues .
The Unions are using the NAACP to ban Rebel Flags from NASCAR , unions wanting control of America .
Welcome to McDonalds we are now union , fix your own burger and that will be $6.75 for each ingredient , the first installment just for the bun is $11.50 per slice .

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Originally Posted by Quik

i call bullshoot. you and your family have relied on unions your entire life....trucking industry, without the big truckers you wouldnt have produce you wouldnt have truck parts, you wouldnt have the stuff in your house and etc. your thinking 5 foot radius think of everything there is involved with unions not just yourself. the Train industry also provides alot of the stuff we relie on and are also union.

your building structures are union workers. PPL think union is all greed its not all greed. its the one that were not in a union saying this

if all unions were gone you wouldnt have some of the luxuries you have now



the biggest down fall with a union is you have some lazy ppl working the system but then again you have minorities doing the same thing.


if it wasnt for unions you would be treated like no body. you could be the hardest working person and etc but if your boss didnt lke you you are treated like no one. is that fair? no.....the unions fixes this

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Agreed. But at this point the "union worker" is personified as a lazy low life. When the minority of LAZY people because the majority and there are only a few good workers left with the work load the union should be able to give the boot to the useless people. Yet, the goverment has laws making the union protect those who do not deserve it... make any sense?

lol, most long haul truckers are NOT union....lol... maybe your local drivers up there.... I guess yall would need drivers to come to Texas and bring the produce back to the city....lol..


REPUBLIC OF TEXAS..........

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Originally Posted by Chevy366

Except for labor law that protect you , with out paying dues .
The Unions are using the NAACP to ban Rebel Flags from NASCAR , unions wanting control of America .
Welcome to McDonalds we are now union , fix your own burger and that will be $6.75 for each ingredient , the first installment just for the bun is $11.50 per slice .

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honestly i see the rebel flag is a bunch of ignorant ppl to say the least. ppl use it today for reasons they have no idea on what the true hertiage is about. some use it cause they want to be hill billys, some use it to say they are racist, some use it cause its a cool thing to do, rest are followers

fact is civil war has been over. you dont see anyone here up norh with the 13 colony flag do you? i hate seeing the flag fly around. PPl up here fly it and never even been to southern PA rather alone the true south

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Originally Posted by TurboMic

lol, most long haul truckers are NOT union....lol... maybe your local drivers up there.... I guess yall would need drivers to come to Texas and bring the produce back to the city....lol..


REPUBLIC OF TEXAS..........

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OTR arent paid nothing compared to their hours involved and etc. you have individuals breaking laws trying to earn a buck... tell me how many truck drivers you know that carry 2 or 3 DOT books so they can be legal cause they are past the 14 hour rule

Union workers took from America which puts Unions up there with the rest of the bloodsuckers in America feeding off the everyday citizens !
Had the UAW refused the bailout/loans , might have sympathy for them , but taking billion to further their lavish lifestyles , while others suffer is UN-American , plane and simple .
Don't you think other countries where GM is at are saying , don't buy GM the money goes back to America and doesn't stay here , B.S. , the money paid for imports stays here in the form of NONUNION workers , true Americans , that don't take billions from their fellow Americans .

Let me ask one simple question , why do Northerners run to the South when they get into financial trouble ?
And if they are prone to getting into trouble why are they allowed to handle our money ?

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Originally Posted by Chevy366

Union workers took from America which puts Unions up there with the rest of the bloodsuckers in America feeding off the everyday citizens !
Had the UAW refused the bailout/loans , might have sympathy for them , but taking billion to further their lavish lifestyles , while others suffer is UN-American , plane and simple .
Don't you think other countries where GM is at are saying , don't buy GM the money goes back to America and doesn't stay here , B.S. , the money paid for imports stays here in the form of NONUNION workers , true Americans , that don't take billions from their fellow Americans .

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true americans you say? the ones that are foreign companys built here? Im going to need new boots for all the crap im reading so i can walk thru. Everyone points the fingers at the workers, its management not the workers. You have ppl that do honest work for an honest day pay. the benefits are there to reward them and their familes for their hard work. If it wasnt for these features you would have alot of senior citizens still working and barely surviving cause you bleeding hearts want it for yourself.

Like i said if you can use weed remover and remove some of the bad this nation's look on how unions are would be much better. Then youll always still have the NON union lookers POV on things.

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Originally Posted by Chevy366

Let me ask one simple question , why do Northerners run to the South when they get into financial trouble ?
And if they are prone to getting into trouble why are they allowed to handle our money ?

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Wont catch me running down there to live

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Originally Posted by Show&Go

I am a union worker. As sad as it is to say I stopped labeling myself as one. For the reasons you have stated. I go to work ON time, ON the days I am scheduled and more, Do more then my job, Come on exhausted and repeat the next day. I dont make a dime more then the chump that is on his "last chance" warning for missing days, spends 4 hours of a 12 hour shift on smoke break and right when hard is started he disappears. When unions began it was to help the hard worker... Now it is to protect the lazy.
If the unions would give the boot to the ones they know are giving them the bad rep (and they know exactly the ones) Making way for good employees that are in need of a job the world may change a bit. If the unions werent backing the lazy people so much you know the companies could clean house.

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Good point. Take it from Ian guys--he IS a Union Worker and look what he has to say about it. I am sure that the lazy Union Worker would have the EXACT opposite stance.

yeh true that me n ma autotek teacher bud heads with each other bcuz he bought a tundra he went from an 05 Z71 to a tundra he says he needed it for towing but that now it cant handle the weight i told em foreign dudes carry rice lol so they dont need it 2 be that heavy in the back , but he still keeps on that its more american than GM bcuz GM makes stuff in Canada n Mexico and all this and that his powerplant on his tundra is made in San Antonio and all this BS but still i say its foreign bcuz the company is foreign and its a disgrace they have Texas Edition Tundras fellers probably dont know what Texas is. but All said and done GM will be bak if it does die thats a 4 sure its just going to be something else to add onto there history

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yeh true that me n ma autotek teacher bud heads with each other bcuz he bought a tundra he went from an 05 Z71 to a tundra he says he needed it for towing but that now it cant handle the weight i told em foreign dudes carry rice lol so they dont need it 2 be that heavy in the back , but he still keeps on that its more american than GM bcuz GM makes stuff in Canada n Mexico and all this and that his powerplant on his tundra is made in San Antonio and all this BS but still i say its foreign bcuz the company is foreign and its a disgrace they have Texas Edition Tundras fellers probably dont know what Texas is. but All said and done GM will be bak if it does die thats a 4 sure its just going to be something else to add onto there history

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that was really hard to read. Him buying a tundra just goes to show he has no loyality to our nation. Ive never seen a well built foreign pos. They do however cover up their shawty work with different type of plastic interiors. Their frames and etc are just pure garbage. American IRON and STEEL is much stronger.

fact is bleeding hearts killed our strenght the day they shut the mills down.

My family is full of farmers and my parents wish they had unions back when they were hand picking cotton in the 100+ heat... the real reason my grandparents had kids anyway, I ask them lol. Cotton got to the gin by his tractor or truck, the gin wasn't union operated, maybe the train service was but not at an inflated price like it is today.

Some are missing the point... Unions are not needed anymore with all the other govt services that are out there to protect ones jobs (workers comp, long term disability). Buildings in Texas are not union built, unions don't survive down here and it has been that way for years and we prosper for it. And it's not just minorities that take advantage of the system (Garrison you know who you are LOL FMWY). HEB grocery chain truckers aren't Union workers either... I'll get off my soap box now, it's pointless to argue with the uninformed Northerners that have been brain washed their whole lives.


Edit: I talk great things about Texas and I'm only kidding... it's 3rd world country down here, so please don't move here.:D

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Originally Posted by DBTBSS

Edit: I talk great things about Texas and I'm only kidding... it's 3rd world country down here, so please don't move here.:D

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its getting so bad we need to shut the boarders and become our own country :lol:

on the union argument look at my family as well, my father and grandfather (on his side) have worked in the oil filed there whole lives just as i have, there are NO unions in the oil field but we have been just fine, then look at my mom's side the family owns a flooring mill in a little Arkansas town, there is no union, yes the mill has seens its rough times but the workers are doing just fine. In fact the union would have been the down fall of either of these industry's, if they had to still pay the employees after they had been let go they would not have stayed afloat, yes its sad that people would be without work and pay but there is unemployment

everything is goint to crap,THE END!!lol what have i started

I see no point on paying some union schmuck 6 figures. I buy a car to pay for the product and to allow the company to make more. Approx $1500 for every vehicle sold goes to worker health care(just an average). That doesnt help either. Foreign companies dont worry about this and can therefore build cars of equal quality at a significantly lower price. But no sense in arguing whose fault it is or who did what. The government will do what it wants and the big corporations will do what they want. Its frustrating.

I'm not saying all union people are lazy I'm saying the union idea is made out of laziness. Yes, there are many trades I depend on unions for and they all overpriced by 2345% of what they would cost if the market was free.

Chapter 11 bankruptcy is what they filed for, Chapter 11 makes it legal for GM to make all contracts null and void. Guess what happens to the union?

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Originally Posted by sleeper1500

Chapter 11 bankruptcy is what they filed for, Chapter 11 makes it legal for GM to make all contracts null and void. Guess what happens to the union?

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That would be in GM's best interest if it were gone... could get serious and sell some cars/trucks now! Move all production to ''free to work'' states and never look back!!!!

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Originally Posted by DBTBSS

That would be in GM's best interest if it were gone... could get serious and sell some cars/trucks now! Move all production to ''free to work'' states and never look back!!!!

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I hear the train a comin', rollin' around the bend....


More southern plants on the way? Look at what Caterpillar did, closed northern plants, and just opened one where? Seguin, Texas.

Unions are and should be in the past..........they did build what we have, but they have also damaged what we are facing now.

But GM, some goes to pay for Mexican built motors, or other country for parts. It's not 100% staying in the US...same as purchasing a Tundra, they are built in the US.
Love my Yukon, but have bought Nissans for cars for 10 years.

My family's trucks have always been from the big 3, the cars a Honda and a Vdub. Before the imports, a G body Grand Prix

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Originally Posted by SCIV

I hear the train a comin', rollin' around the bend....

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I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die...:newbie:

i hurt myself today
to see if i still feel
i focus on the pain
the only thing thats real


:)

I'm going to Jackson

I fell into a burning ring of fire.

Early one mornin' while makin' the rounds
I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down
I went right home and I went to bed
I stuck that lovin' .44 beneath my head

Got up next mornin' and I grabbed that gun
Took a shot of cocaine and away I run
Made a good run but I ran too slow
They overtook me down in Juarez, Mexico

without unions ppl wouldnt be paid what is fair. companies least up here dont pay you for squat for a skill. they think you should make 10hr to be an electrician. without union wages top rate for an electrician is about 15hr. sorry in todays world 15hr cant get you far at all. You complain about benefits and etc. use your 15 hr then take benefits out of it. after al lsaid and done you now make 9hr...answer me...how can you support yourself rather alone a family? dont say have wife work cause then it takes 2 ppl to make combined 20hr.... Unions allow for familys to survive by paying individuals what they are worth for the skill.

you have these desk jockeys making more money then a skill.. sorry any smoe can sit behind a desk and surf LS1truck, PT, LS1tech, hardcore and blah blah. most dont do their jobs they sit and goof off in a cubicle.

i have never once been a stranger to working 12hr shifts, ive worked a 21 turn with 12hr shifts. No sweat off my back so dont say all ppl that are for unions are lazy. I do hate how some work the system.

unions are needed but management needs rethought. it seems like you southerners hate unions but at same time have the mentality to support confedercy. The more im on this site the more i see how southerns have totally different outlook on things vs how we see things up here.

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without unions ppl wouldnt be paid what is fair. companies least up here dont pay you for squat for a skill. they think you should make 10hr to be an electrician. without union wages top rate for an electrician is about 15hr. sorry in todays world 15hr cant get you far at all. You complain about benefits and etc. use your 15 hr then take benefits out of it. after al lsaid and done you now make 9hr...answer me...how can you support yourself rather alone a family? dont say have wife work cause then it takes 2 ppl to make combined 20hr.... Unions allow for familys to survive by paying individuals what they are worth for the skill.

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How do you think people make it down here in Texas where there aren't Unions to protect them?

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Originally Posted by Quik

it seems like you southerners hate unions but at same time have the mentality to support Confederacy. The more I'm on this site the more i see how southerns have totally different outlook on things vs how we see things up here.

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What? Where is this going?... again, times have changed... welcome to the 80's

My Dad is a non union electrician... he makes a lot more than $15hr.

Desk Jockey is a skill... you go to school, learn and show ambition and you are rewarded with a nice job/career... and I have an office to myself with a window (not always in the office though) and I work 11-13hrs a day 5 days a week by choice:D. Continue away at seeing things the way you do... I challenge you to secede the Union; move to a ''free to work'' state and see what I mean. You will get you're spirit back in 6 months and the sun will shine upon you and make you whole again... it's a discussion not an attack and after all it's the facts!

Im part of the union in the company that i work for and i cant say that i 100% agree with how everthing goes on here but at times it can be good. There are however many lazy good for nothing workers that are employed here and that are on theyre final warnings ect ect and somehow they still work here after all the crap they have pulled. I know if i tried half the stuff i would be gone. I cant say they have done any good for me but i also cannot say anything bad either. Before i came here they had the old timers that did my job making around $30 an hour base rate (not including 10percent shigt differental) the contract was renegotiated and now me and the people that do my job makes about half that. All the 10yr+ guys left on early retirement and got like a 20k bonus and some persentage of there pay everymonth for the rest of there lives!

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Originally Posted by Quik

that was really hard to read. Him buying a tundra just goes to show he has no loyality to our nation. Ive never seen a well built foreign pos. They do however cover up their shawty work with different type of plastic interiors. Their frames and etc are just pure garbage. American IRON and STEEL is much stronger.

fact is bleeding hearts killed our strenght the day they shut the mills down.

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yea i kno
the lady that cuts my hair was in the hospital for about 6 months because she was in a car accident with her tundra she showed me the truck and the truk was split in diff sections she even says she doesnt know how she survived that she's currently filing a lawsuit against Toyota


oh n yes if Texas wanted we could be our own country we dont need none of the other states to survive we have our own power grid,ship channels, and just over all resources we are in a better economical state than any other state in the US bcuz we Texans can support ourselves no matter what jiffy comes our way

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Im part of the union in the company that i work for and i cant say that i 100% agree with how everthing goes on here but at times it can be good. There are however many lazy good for nothing workers that are employed here and that are on theyre final warnings ect ect and somehow they still work here after all the crap they have pulled. I know if i tried half the stuff i would be gone. I cant say they have done any good for me but i also cannot say anything bad either. Before i came here they had the old timers that did my job making around $30 an hour base rate (not including 10percent shigt differental) the contract was renegotiated and now me and the people that do my job makes about half that. All the 10yr+ guys left on early retirement and got like a 20k bonus and some persentage of there pay everymonth for the rest of there lives!

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damn thatz a whole but load of cash we're roofers and i can tell u that its hard, sometimes theres money pouring in and sometimes we dont know wdf to do but i tell u what we managed wit wat we have dude we have crews workin where each buy probably makes about $100 a day if he's lucky depending on the size of the house and the amount of guys in that crew.... but yea we pull our own hard way with our company ABS Roofing

Im part of the union in the company that i work for and i cant say that i 100% agree with how everthing goes on here but at times it can be good. There are however many lazy good for nothing workers that are employed here and that are on theyre final warnings ect ect and somehow they still work here after all the crap they have pulled. I know if i tried half the stuff i would be gone. I cant say they have done any good for me but i also cannot say anything bad either. Before i came here they had the old timers that did my job making around $30 an hour base rate (not including 10percent shigt differental) the contract was renegotiated and now me and the people that do my job makes about half that. All the 10yr+ guys left on early retirement and got like a 20k bonus and some persentage of there pay everymonth for the rest of there lives!

Sorry guys double post

This isnt going anywhere. We should just stop.

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Originally Posted by cjriojas

This isnt going anywhere. We should just stop.

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no i think its good its just a friendly discussion bout watz goin on

^Ya but you're a dumbass, anything close to political gets out of hand on this site.