Tundra vs Silverado debate

[scottyd2506]

Me and a friend are in a good debate.. about trucks.. we all know they are not meant for racing, BUT every one or most who has a truck likes performance.

Sorry for long post all, blowing off some steam... I am not in this to be personal to anyone, just a product. all this Japanese superiority thing has gone too far. if ur board read on--

Who makes the best truck for all around performance?? My Friend says Toyota, I say Chevy or dodge (cummins turbo only)..
Performance is not just limited to how quick it is, but towing power, hauling, durability etc..
Toyota is hands down the worst for durability... Tail gates falling off, frames bending, or frames rusting out, spares tires falling off on hi ways etc..

He is the typical Anti American Jap loving worshiping dude who makes a billion excuses why or how the steel for the tundra frames was from the USA, or how the electronic parts that made the Toyota prias pedal stick are made in the USA bla bla..

He once had a 79 Buick, had it for 9 months, NEVER had one problem out of it, sold it. got a import (Mitsubishi), had to do a lot of work to it,, yet he claims they are made better... go figure huh? His new Camry has nothing but big time problems... still they are made better than ANY US engineered car/truck..

Back to the Tundra vs Silverado, he knows the power of the Reg Cab Tundra with the 5.7 will outrun any US built truck. it's 5,7 ltr DOHC 32 valve engine is a 315 rwhp 13 second truck stock in a rcsb
with Headers, cai, tune etc etc, 12 seconds 360 rwhp.

I have to admit stock vs stock the tundra is quicker than the Chevy, as no Lq9 is offered in a rcsb.. only 5.3 in reg cab short bed...
He says the Tundra's 5.7 engine is su[superior to the Chevy V8..

I explained to him, the Tundra is nothing but a crap falling apart truck, net meant to haul and last, the money Toyota put into this thing is all in the drive train.. mainly the engine..
if you compare it the the rcsb 5.3.. well the engine is probably superior...
How is that he asks.????

The LSX engines are made for power and to last.. the junk Tundra engine has high tech $10,000.00 -- 32 valve heads to make it flow and make power, for $30,000..
and yet can only get 280-320 rwhp
RCSB 5.7 Toyota vs RCSB 5.7 Chevy ls6 then it will be apples to apples

put on a good set of heads, and a LQ9 cam in the little 5.3 and I'll bet it would clock to 300 rwhp..
look at the LS1... a 1997 engine, 300 rwhp 5.7 ltr engine.. or 2002 Ls6 5.7, 330 rwhp pure stock...
Then what would Toyota do?

But GM is not concerned with making a race truck like Toyota is... GM build trucks to haul and last.. not to drag race, the Silverado SS is cool, but in a heavy EC, it's still not going to be a real performance truck like the old 90-91 SS-454.RCSB was for the day..
Why doesn't GM offer a 6.0 LQ9 in a RCSB??

We get into the mods vs mods... the Tundra's big deal is it's 32 valve heads.. never need to upgrade heads... probably flow 360-400 cfm.s.. yet most GM 6.0's with headers, a small cam, CAI etc will put down 350-380 rwhp.. with bigger cam, FAST90, better heads.. 450-500 rwhp EASY as cake..
The 2 valve heads still have a better combustion chamber for quench than the 4 valve Tundra heads... just like the dodge hemi heads, good flow.. no quench.

if you want a fast truck,, order a $30,000 Tundra, or you can order a $25,000 Chevy, drop in a small camed 6.0 Lq9 with AFR 205's or TF 225's.. and have more power for performance, and towing, plus a truck that can haul and not bend the frames and have $5000 left over.


I get tired of the same old Import loven crap, how Japan is like the super human race, and just makes EVERYTHING better with there superior engineering.. This kind of through should have died with Hitler... there is no super human race, and it certainly would not be Japan...
They can not make anything right.... from back in WWII, there was pretty much the only nation on the planet earth in the war who did not have a 400 mph fighter aircraft.. or high alt performance..
Germany, Britain, US were light years ahead developing and producing ..Rocket, jets, nuclear weapons, better tanks, radar and the list goes on...

Even today most of what Japan has in performance has either a billions tons of turbo boost, or some quick fast gimmick.. the junk Tundra engine would not make 200 with 2 valve heads.. that's not superior engineering... the 5.3 with 32 valve heads would probability lay down 500 rwhp.. ..
aa Tundra with headers, bigger cams (4 of them), tune, intake, cai etc is hard pressed to make 380 rwhp.. any 6.0 with small cam can make 400-500 rwhp with with good flowing heads- tundra already has racing heads. Not impressed. not for $30,000

the GM LS block design is just better.. look at the Aftermarket LSX, can handle 2500 hp.. heck, nothing that comes out of Japan can do this or has EVER made 2500 hp...
Neither one can match the dodge cummins.. some of those 8000 lb trucks can be moded to have 1300 flt lbs or torque, have 600 hp, run mid 12's, get over 30 mpg hyway, that's what turbos do.

[TDK08]

Im a Chevy owner, but the Toyota Tundra is a very nice truck with great power, dependability, and longevity. They also hold their value way better than the big three. Chevrolet has its fare share of problems too. Im not going to argue any points; its pointless, and purely based on opinion and brand loyalty. here is my opinion and I will leave it at that.

I like my truck, but the only reason I got it was because Toyota was to expensive for my wallet. When I make more money I will be getting a Toyota. Im not brand loyal, im only interested in a product that suites my needs and is reliable. And before anyone even pulls the hypocrite card you should check to see where your truck is made, the computer your typing on, etc...Get over it.

Comparing a WWII 1950's Japanese product to anything is crazy. Technology has changed so much it isnt a valid arguement. Fact is the Japanese have some of the best machines which results in tighter tolerances and consistency. But i am basing this off my knowledge in firearms, but im sure the auto industry is the same. But at the end of the day the Tundra is made in Tx by Texan workers.

Maybe we should bring up the government bailout? Its so wrong on many levels.

How do you know the LS motor is better? Are you an engineer? Do you design motors or did you just read on the internet that the LS was better?

[CHEVROLADE]

rcsb tundra 5.7 will spank any rcsb gm truck off the lot(stock to stock).......

but u start swapping a 6.0 in a gm truck-different story....

the lightning is the fastest all around performance truck ,that and the TRD tundra

I agree gm needs to offer a RCSB 6.2 6 speed

[2boosted]

Im a Chevy owner, but the Toyota Tundra is a very nice truck with great power, dependability, and longevity.

How do you know the LS motor is better? Are you an engineer? Do you design motors or did you just read on the internet that the LS was better?

Nice question on the LS engine better thing, maybe Toyota jeep owners or AMC Jeep owners might know the answer. ( I haven't seen a I Force 5.7 swap to this or other vehicles, but the WORLD has a fair share of LS based engines runing in warever chasis brand!)

Where did you get the facts of dependability and logevity of the Tundra vs the Chevy? Internet?

[TATERNATOR]

a 150 to 175 shot will make a RCSB with the big v8 yota owner mad as hell lol I know this for a fact

[408.Luke]

[cjriojas]

LSX owns all

[TDK08]

Where did you get the facts of dependability and logevity of the Tundra vs the Chevy? Internet?

First hand knowledge bud. Family owns a couple Toyota products, all of which have been trouble free with lots of miles. Not to mention the hunting buddies who have the same experiences.

Heres a good question for you. If Toyota makes such a crappy product, why do they hold value way better than anything else? Not to mention they sale easier with higher miles. Wouldnt be because they have a reputation for making a long lasting relibale vehicle, would it?

Facts are there to support both sides of the argument. Chevy fits me at the time and I am happy with it, but I also cant wait to get a nicer truck.

Maybe you havent seen an I-Force swap because they are way expensive, complicated, and less available. No denying anything. LS motors are way simple and less expensive, but technologically better? Two different beast...I dont have a degree to back up any claims on what might be better. Better is a word that is subjective to different people.

[2boosted]

First hand knowledge bud. Family owns a couple Toyota products, all of which have been trouble free with lots of miles. Not to mention the hunting buddies who have the same experiences.

Heres a good question for you. If Toyota makes such a crappy product, why do they hold value way better than anything else? Not to mention they sale easier with higher miles. Wouldnt be because they have a reputation for making a long lasting relibale vehicle, would it?

Facts are there to support both sides of the argument. Chevy fits me at the time and I am happy with it, but I also cant wait to get a nicer truck.

Maybe you havent seen an I-Force swap because they are way expensive, complicated, and less available. No denying anything. LS motors are way simple and less expensive, but technologically better? Two different beast...I dont have a degree to back up any claims on what might be better. Better is a word that is subjective to different people.

First hands Family owned is not a real fact...still your opinion, on your experience. I have a whole line of chevy past, trouble free, and that gives a Dxxx to surveys resuts.
Well, the seeling thing is a pure based good Marketing/Merchandising, meaning it had a share of good rep a long time ago, but in the countries that I work now and then that loyalty to Toyota have go way down in the last 6 years. But Toyota still spend a lot od Pub in the US, so there u got it.

On the places I been I have seen a lot of Toyotas and other brand trucks lay down to the ground, where the money you invest in the truck doesnt care, and you just hit it with anything that comes, Yotas stil bend and crack a LOT. No one here baby them for costing more that the big 3's and when that happend guees what........yeap, they fail.

I force is a no swap for a lot of reasons, and LS is the main swap for a lot of reasons. But the fact is, more people, included yota owners love the LS.

I wont call low tech cause it does not have multi valve heads, still, I know there is the option for that for the LS, so no biggy, besides that, I dont see the difference in tech...o wait....yeah, low tech engine endure, flow and last more. And been the most popular kid on the block make them cheaper, not because low tech.

Oh yeah, and Iforce based drag engines are in the 6's normally....oh...my mistake, those are the LS based drag engines.

[TDK08]

Sorry dude, dont mean to be rude. I didnt understand a thing you said. To many incomplete sentences, run-on sentences, etc...

First hands Family owned is not a real fact...still your opinion, on your experience.

Go read the very first paragraph in post #2 by me. Your preaching to the choir.

Btw, I could care less about the aftermarket goodies. Im comparing stock-to-stock. Also, the vast majority of people could care less about this stuff too. The majority of people want a vehicle with moderate power and reliability/longevity FROM THE FACTORY. Last time I checked internal engine mods void the warranty. Aftermarket engine performance crap has a small following when compared to what the mass population wants/needs in a daily driver.