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All of my mods are in my sig. Looking for input on stall mainly. I'm either getting a Yank or Fuddle.
Allen really likes his Yank 2600 so I may go that route.
Any other input? Keep in mind this is my daily driver, a lot of stop-and-go traffic, but lots of opportunities to trounce ricers, Hemi's, etc. So I need a good balance!
P.S. - Yank and Fuddle both recommended a 3000...
Every time I talked to a shop about a stall they tell me that when you get a 2600 plan on it going to 2800/2900. Why do you say???? I thought I heard the words, "Because it does!" :bash:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jethro_3 @ Jun 22 2006, 06:46 PM) [snapback]56038[/snapback]</div>Allen said that about his. It's a 2600 but stalls at about 3000. Sounds like a pretty good deal. $375 + shipping...Quote:
Every time I talked to a shop about a stall they tell me that when you get a 2600 plan on it going to 2800/2900. Why do you say???? I thought I heard the words, "Because it does!" :bash:
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I've had a Yank 2600 sitting in my garage for about 6 months.
Won't be there for much longer. :devil:
SC, I help you install yours and you help install mine???? Looks easy from everyone I've talked to :whack: :lol:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jethro_3 @ Jun 22 2006, 06:58 PM) [snapback]56045[/snapback]</div>Are you crazy!?!?!!? I think I will have to pass on that one.Quote:
SC, I help you install yours and you help install mine???? Looks easy from everyone I've talked to :whack: :lol:
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WHo are you getting to install yours?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SCIV @ Jun 22 2006, 06:57 PM) [snapback]56043[/snapback]</div>Because you're selling it to me for $300? What a guy...!Quote:
I've had a Yank 2600 sitting in my garage for about 6 months.
Won't be there for much longer. :devil:
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:laugh: :point:
I don't think you're even in your ballpark on that one....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jethro_3 @ Jun 22 2006, 07:07 PM) [snapback]56053[/snapback]</div>Quote:
:laugh: :point:
I don't think you're even in your ballpark on that one....
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Hey he said it clear as day: "Moze, you can have it for $300"...
...it's on the page here somewhere, where'd it go....
:nono:
Man, $300 is a nice price for a new Yank convertor! I'd jump all over that one, too. :laugh:
OK, posted this response on another site. It kind of gives an idea of why I'mleaning toward Fuddle. I'f I'm way off on something or you differ in opinion, let me know:
Fuddle has an excellent reputation. Reason I was leaning toward them was partly a very good price, but they're converter is also 9.64" as opposed to Yanks 10.94". Smaller converter = less weight = less effort to turn = better accelaration, even if it's slight.
I can also pick my stall for the one price ($400), which is the way I think it should be. I don't think a 3000 stall should cost $100 more that a 2600 stall.
Again, not being argumentative, just covering my bases.
I think you'll be fine either way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SCIV @ Jun 23 2006, 04:36 PM) [snapback]56124[/snapback]</div>I think I will too. I think now, my main question has to do with the TC size. I always thought the smaller the better.Quote:
I think you'll be fine either way.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Moze @ Jun 23 2006, 04:39 PM) [snapback]56125[/snapback]</div>I think smaller is looser. It also has to do with the pitch of the blades, number of blades, and the distance between the two fans. Also smaller has a smaller lock up clutch, but there could be more than one set in a converter. Let me know if my thinking is wrong.Quote:
I think I will too. I think now, my main question has to do with the TC size. I always thought the smaller the better.
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that converter you will be buying is most likely built with alot of stock parts, as to the yank or vigilante, they will be built with all billet parts and lightweight. If your looking for a converter to help your truck idle with a large cam and thats it then a cheap one will do the job but if you are looking to go fast, then hold off and save a lil more money, remember you get wat you pay for. You may call someone who knows more but dont quote me to this but the torque ration on a cheap converter is about 1.1 to 1 where as a vigilante is 3.0 to 1.
I have ran cheap converters because of the budget at the time and they dont make near the power!
hope this helped
Jarrod
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(carfreak07 @ Jun 24 2006, 02:22 PM) [snapback]56166[/snapback]</div>I don't think Fuddle uses stock parts:Quote:
that converter you will be buying is most likely built with alot of stock parts, as to the yank or vigilante, they will be built with all billet parts and lightweight. If your looking for a converter to help your truck idle with a large cam and thats it then a cheap one will do the job but if you are looking to go fast, then hold off and save a lil more money, remember you get wat you pay for. You may call someone who knows more but dont quote me to this but the torque ration on a cheap converter is about 1.1 to 1 where as a vigilante is 3.0 to 1.
I have ran cheap converters because of the budget at the time and they dont make near the power!
hope this helped
Jarrod
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Using ballooning plates that measure nearly ½”, you can rest assured that this converter will hold to big power.
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As for the "get what you pay for" theory - I totally agree with you. Yank and Fuddles are about the same price. I think hands-down PI makes the best one I've seen. But I can't swing the price for a new one. Maybe I'll luck out and find a used one. What honestly bothers me about Yank is I think they know most truck guys will want a 3000 stall. They're conveniently $100 more than the 2600 stall. The majority of other manufacturers offer the stall speed you want for one price. Can anyone justify why the 3000 stall would cost more than a 2600 stall? I doubt it...Also, ask around about customer service after the sale with Yank. I know a few people are having problems with Fuddle with how quick they get their converter, but I'm more concerned about warranty, track record (literally and metaphorically), and service after the sale. I'm not saying Yank is a bad product. Just saying what my research has turned up...
Sounds like a nice convertor. I'd consider one of those myself. It's a lot better buildup than the one I got from PATC, theirs was stock appearing on the outside, so no balloon plate on the engine side of the convertor.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RedHeartbeat @ Jun 28 2006, 06:19 PM) [snapback]56565[/snapback]</div>Yeah - and I'll add to this little thread that between "Other Brand" and Fuddle, only Fuddle has asked me for a copy of a Dyno run so he can make sure I get a converter optimized for my truck. As he emailed me today:Quote:
Sounds like a nice convertor. I'd consider one of those myself. It's a lot better buildup than the one I got from PATC, theirs was stock appearing on the outside, so no balloon plate on the engine side of the convertor.
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"It is always best to go off of a dyno graph. A couple hundred
rpm above where the torque curve comes in is ideal for performance. Too high
and you are going over usable torque, too low and you are waiting for torque
to come in after the flash and not launching hard enough. Let me know when
you get the dyno sheet and I'll be happy to look it over and go from there."
"Other Brand" simply said get a 3000. No request for a Dyno sheet. Are they dead on suggesting a 3000? Maybe, but I'm a little more put at ease that Fuddle is inquiring a little more instead of just firing off a recommendation.
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with a vigilante, you can take it out and have it restalled for no price, within two years that is. They also have a two year warranty with no questions ask, you send them ur blown up one and your get a finished product back! not sure about any others so maybe compare that data.
hope this helped and hope you get er all together.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(carfreak07 @ Jun 29 2006, 08:47 PM) [snapback]56765[/snapback]</div>Thanks for the info.Quote:
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with a vigilante, you can take it out and have it restalled for no price, within two years that is. They also have a two year warranty with no questions ask, you send them ur blown up one and your get a finished product back! not sure about any others so maybe compare that data.
hope this helped and hope you get er all together.
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I would love a Vigilante, but I can't pay that much. So it's Fuddle or Yank. Fuddle is similarwith their warranty:
Upgrade:
1st year- Upon return of your Fuddle Racing converter, we will apply 100% of your original purchase price toward the purchase of an upgraded series converter.
1 to 2 years- Upon return of your Fuddle Racing converter, we will apply 60% of your original purchase price toward the purchase of an upgraded series converter.
Warranty:
If, at anytime within two years of the original delivery date of your converter, the converter fails due to manufacturing defect (determined by Fuddle Racing), Fuddle Racing will repair/replace (at Fuddle Racing's discretion) or upgrade (see upgrade policy) your converter. The customer is responsible to get the original converter back to Fuddle Racing and pay shipping to receive the converter back.
Satisfaction Guarantee
Within the first year, if you are not satisfied with the way your converter stalls or feels, or you simply want it to perform differently, we will replace or restall the converter to better suit your needs. The customer is responsible to get the original converter back to Fuddle Racing and must pay shipping to receive the converter back.
If, at anytime within 24 months of the original delivery date of your converter, the converter fails due to a lack of ability to handle the power demands you have placed on it (determined by Fuddle Racing), Fuddle Racing will repair/replace (at Fuddle Racing's discretion) or upgrade (see upgrade policy) your converter. The customer is responsible to get the original converter back to Fuddle Racing and must pay shipping to receive the converter back.
Warranties are only applicable to the Fuddle Racing products and make no provision for replacement or repair of any other parts. Since all converters are custom built for each application, no refunds can be offered.
Discount prices do not apply on upgrades.