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Just givin you guys the heads up. I just installed a set of street and performance type III headers and they fit perfectly. :thumb: And man are they a sharp lookin header. oh and the number 4 plug wire did come into contact with the header so down to the parts store i go....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vettetruck89 @ Feb 10 2006, 05:45 PM) [snapback]44149[/snapback]</div>Quote:
Just givin you guys the heads up. I just installed a set of street and performance type III headers and they fit perfectly. :thumb: And man are they a sharp lookin header. oh and the number 4 plug wire did come into contact with the header so down to the parts store i go....
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How much for the headers? Pics?
Probably $529.00 plus shipping, that's their standard price unless you buy them on Ebay from someone who decided not to use them.
vettetruck89, can you give us some pics and let us know how high you raised your motor with the adapters? Lambert and Mark at S&P said there would be problems so they would just tack a set up for me and I could send them back and they'd fix where they were hitting and then weld them up. I'm really interested because you're right, these are some sweet headers eventhough they won't give you the HP of longtubes. BTW, Taylor wires oughta fix you up if the stock are hitting. Thanks
the headers were 530 and I used S&P motor mount adapters with the factory clam shells. The clam shells needed slight modification because of a protrusion on the motor side from the casting. I simply ground them down until they were flat and they bolted right up. here is some pics
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...LS6pics017.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...LS6pics019.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...LS6pics018.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...LS6pics020.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...LS6pics015.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...LS6pics014.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...LS6pics013.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...LS6pics012.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...LS6pics011.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...LS6pics010.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...LS6pics009.jpg
Umm these headers are'nt the same as mine! See it's shit like this that pisses me off. :bs: I paid close to $600 for those damn things and they don't fit right after they said they would and now they have obviously changed the design, either that or they sent me the wrong ones! :tantrum: I'll post some pics of mine later so you can see the difference
mine are the S&P type III midlenghts.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vettetruck89 @ Feb 11 2006, 10:20 AM) [snapback]44198[/snapback]</div>Yeah that's what mine are SUPPOSED to be too! (Type III G-body midlength headers)Quote:
mine are the S&P type III midlenghts.
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I'd sure be on the blower getting that one straightened out there MOTO
I think the G-body ones are a specific version of the type IIIs Mine are gust regular old type IIIs
Clean looking headers! :thumb: Definitely a good mod!
I can see where some type of mod has been made to the #2 and #6 tubes. They are bent higher up it looks like but that could be an optical illusion. The thicker 5/8" motor mount adapters give you a little more clearance at on the rear control arm eccentric. There have been so many issues with this problem wonder if they went on ahead and made a slight bend in these areas? They look awsome bro!!! What kind of wires did you use?
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...r/DSCN0176.jpg
Notice the the difference between #2 & #6 tubes in relationship to the motor mount and upper control arm on my headers compared to vettetrucks. Actually if you look at his 1st pic and then mine, our #2 & #6 tubes are totally different
Also vettetruck are you sure you put your adaptor plates on right cuz your motor looks like it's sittin a lot further back than mine maybe it just looks that way in the pic, have you hooked up your driveshaft yet? I also looked at my S&P catalog & the pas. side type III header doesn't look like vettetrucks, it looks like mine so I think they've changed them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NITROUS @ Feb 11 2006, 03:08 PM) [snapback]44225[/snapback]</div>My point exactly! I wonder when they made the change motoxlifer? Hey what are the part numbers form S&P on your headers and vettetruck's? Maybe we need to compare since there is more than one type III header.Quote:
I can see where some type of mod has been made to the #2 and #6 tubes. They are bent higher up it looks like but that could be an optical illusion. The thicker 5/8" motor mount adapters give you a little more clearance at on the rear control arm eccentric. There have been so many issues with this problem wonder if they went on ahead and made a slight bend in these areas? They look awsome bro!!! What kind of wires did you use?
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BTW, How many miles do you have on them? They look great!
His adapters look right to me. They look just like mine but thicker.
Hey moto, I just noticed your motor is about and inch further up than ours.
moto, did you have to mod the frame or anything on the passenger side for the altenator with the engine sitting that far up?
This is the kind of technical differences I like to compare on installs. We might all learn something here. you can see where my adapters sit.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d7...7/DSC00876.jpg
OK I just went & looked and my mounts are opposite from yalls. Everything except my headers went together perfectly. I didn't have to modify my driveshaft length or tranny crossmember position. Do you guys know if your driveshaft is gonna have to be shortened or not? As for the part # on the headers the catalog doesn't show a # but I don't think there are different types of type III headers, I think the type III is the G-body header. I've had the motor in since Nov. 2005, notice the rub line on the #2 tube, that's where I turned it over on a rubber mat and beat the hell out of the bottom of the #1 tube I hated to do it but they wouldn't seal. Lookin back on it I should've sent em back but I already had my exhaust done & I really didn't want to use stock manifolds.
I installed the mounts how S&P said to do them. I didnt have to modify anything else. My tranny located to the same mount and the drive shaft has the proper lenght. my sales invoice doesnt have a part # but simply says "COATED TYPE 3 HEADER 2 02'S".
I had discussed these headers with S&P. It took a long time before I got a straight answer out of them. Supposedly they went out and test fit a set and they worked. So I ordered some.
BTW for any of you who are thinking of buying a set of S&P headers make sure you install the collector before you install the header as they are nearly impossible to do with the header installed. this will save time.
Thanks for the input guys! This info will help me and others out in the the long run. This thread came together well in understanding the differences. Thanks again this just made my header decision a little easier!! :thumb:
Hmm... this is good info to know. Was thinking about S&P headers, but was concerned about fitment. These are pictures using stock manifolds:
Passenger Side Manifold (underneath)
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...Underneath.jpg
Passenger Side Manifold (top view)
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...deManifold.jpg
Wish I had a cutting torch... :smile:
This is an S-10 LS1 swap header no emissions.
http://ls1performanceparts.com/store.../budgets10.jpg
Hmmmm.....wonder if those will fit my 93/LS1 :duh:
I know. the site there on http://ls1performanceparts.com/
Damnit! :cry: That looks as it would damn-sure fit my setup!
BleuII, I talked to a guy at LS1performanceparts.com about 7 months ago and he said they could build a header like this for me. I think I posted a picture of their coated headers somewhere here in the forums back then. I think I'll do a search for them. RHB, you replied to my post, do you remember it?
Do you know the guy? I tried looking at the headers pic you posted in a url link and it said I was forbidden. That's a good start!
Nevermind bro, I just looked under conversions instead of pasting the url.
I'd sure like to try a set to see if they fit though they have about 4 different configurations of their headers for the S10 conversions.