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I have seen this floating around the site before, but didn't pay attention to what the big deal was about a trailblazer stall? Does it work as well as the guy on ebay claims? will it handle the load of a 400hp truck? I am just lookin for someone to say (yes buy it) or (no, waste of money) :thumb: It would be cool if this was a good product and it would work good, since the ;price is reasonable. for a 3000 stall
Here is the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4L60E-2700-...1QQcmdZViewItem
I like the price but don't like that they are still huge/heavy. Converters like the Vigilante are only 10-1/2" diameter and weigh almost half of what a stock size convertor weighs. It's still an awesome deal, don't get me wrong. I had a stock size stall convertor in my previous truck, 2800 rpm Transmissioncenter.net model, and it was faster than this truck so far even with the 10.5" diameter 3600rpm Vig.
If the convertor was rebuilt with torrington bearings replacing all the thrust washers, it should be a quality unit, especially for the money.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bulldog5.3 @ Jan 24 2006, 11:16 AM) [snapback]42071[/snapback]</div>Quote:
I have seen this floating around the site before, but didn't pay attention to what the big deal was about a trailblazer stall? Does it work as well as the guy on ebay claims? will it handle the load of a 400hp truck? I am just lookin for someone to say (yes buy it) or (no, waste of money) :thumb: It would be cool if this was a good product and it would work good, since the ;price is reasonable. for a 3000 stall
Here is the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4L60E-2700-...1QQcmdZViewItem
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you can get a brand new stall from the factory for 200+shipping. they are physically smaller than the factory stall converter(1600?) it will only stall to 2600 behind your 5.3 though. i have the trailblazer and want to get it restalled to 3000 next time i blow the transmission. ive never heard of a problem coming from these converters. awesome bang for buck IMO.
Wow, i was expecting them to be crap? It is good to know you guys opinions. i will probably go with the converter after i ask the seller a couple of questions... :thumb:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bulldog5.3 @ Jan 24 2006, 12:53 PM) [snapback]42086[/snapback]</div>Quote:
Wow, i was expecting them to be crap? It is good to know you guys opinions. i will probably go with the converter after i ask the seller a couple of questions... :thumb:
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I'm running one in my truck now and for the money it's well worth it.
Are yall's converters running at 3000 stall? if not are they close?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bulldog5.3 @ Jan 24 2006, 01:40 PM) [snapback]42091[/snapback]</div>they wont stall to 3000 on every motor. torque converters stall higher depending on the torque of the motor...a good rule of thumb is to expect 23-2500stall for a 4.8, 25-2600 for a 5.3 and anywhere from 27-3000 behind a 6.0. it sounds like the trailblazer in the auction has been restalled by someone.Quote:
Are yall's converters running at 3000 stall? if not are they close?
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I talked with Dayco and they recommended a part #7732 2800 - 3200 rpm or a #7731 2300 - 2500 rpm with 4.10 gears. These coverters run about $300.00 and they are rollers. The tech dept said the 2800 - 3200 would stall around 2900 with the gears I have. If you do a lot of towing go with the 2300 - 2500. They also said these converters were better built than most aftermarket ones.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NITROUS @ Jan 24 2006, 04:46 PM) [snapback]42109[/snapback]</div>Who is Dayco and how might someone go about buying a stall from them? If the 2800-3200 stall would stall at 2900 with 4.10's then my 3.73's would probably wind up at 3000 (yes) or (no)?Quote:
I talked with Dayco and they recommended a part #7732 2800 - 3200 rpm or a #7731 2300 - 2500 rpm with 4.10 gears. These coverters run about $300.00 and they are rollers. The tech dept said the 2800 - 3200 would stall around 2900 with the gears I have. If you do a lot of towing go with the 2300 - 2500. They also said these converters were better built than most aftermarket ones.
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Are the Dayco stalls better than the trailblazer?
Dayco is a factory replacement transmission company and their convertors would have to be purchased through someone like League City Transmission in Texas. You can't purchase directly from Dayco unless you are a dealer. League City Transmission gave me the Dayco 1-800 number and the part numbers I posted are what they recommended for late model 4L60E's. They steered clear of the Trailblazer converter because there are too many unknowns and various stall speeds. Not saying it won't work, it's just better to go with what is recommended. Dayco was very helpful and the price is right.
Isn't Dayco actually DACCO?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RedHeartbeat @ Jan 24 2006, 09:22 PM) [snapback]42133[/snapback]</div>Quote:
Isn't Dayco actually DACCO?
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LMAO!!! Yes. I just realized how I'm spelling them! :rofl: I'm losing it!
Yeah, I think Dayco builds rubber products like fan belts and hoses. :doh:
I have a question about this. If you change the stall, does it affect your pulling power very badly? I pull a 18.5' boat sometimes and don't want to sacrifice that. The way one of my so called "genius mechanic" friends described a stall converter is that the truck will just sit there and rev like its in neutral till it hits the specified RPM, then take off.....WTF??? I One of my buddy's had a 3200 or maybe bigger in his 82 scottsdale, but it had VERY high gears as it used to be a diesel..and it seemed like it wouldn't move until about 4grand.
If you do a lot of pulling I would stay below 2800 on the stall. If you go much higher the tranny will act up and can overheat without the proper cooling.
A 2800 RPM stall more or less means at 2800 RPM you have 100% of the engine power engaged to the transmission. At lower RPMs it is still going to pull the vehicle. Theoretically you can hold the brake and throttle down to get a lot higher RPM before the vehicle launches. Under full power my 3600 rpm stall doesn't drop below 3600 RPM between shifts. It keeps the engine RPM in the higher power range of the engine during hard acceleration. I would suggest you drive a vehicle with a stall convertor before buying one with a large numerical value, 3000rpm+.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NITROUS @ Jan 24 2006, 04:46 PM) [snapback]42109[/snapback]</div>I would rather have a better quality product like dacco and have the part #7732 that stalls from 2800-3200 and get the right thing.Quote:
I talked with Dayco and they recommended a part #7732 2800 - 3200 rpm or a #7731 2300 - 2500 rpm with 4.10 gears. These coverters run about $300.00 and they are rollers. The tech dept said the 2800 - 3200 would stall around 2900 with the gears I have. If you do a lot of towing go with the 2300 - 2500. They also said these converters were better built than most aftermarket ones.
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Nitrous Can you get me Dacco phone number and a number where i can order one from someone in Texas?
Thanks, Man
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RedHeartbeat @ Jan 25 2006, 02:11 PM) [snapback]42205[/snapback]</div>Quote:
A 2800 RPM stall more or less means at 2800 RPM you have 100% of the engine power engaged to the transmission. At lower RPMs it is still going to pull the vehicle. Theoretically you can hold the brake and throttle down to get a lot higher RPM before the vehicle launches. Under full power my 3600 rpm stall doesn't drop below 3600 RPM between shifts. It keeps the engine RPM in the higher power range of the engine during hard acceleration. I would suggest you drive a vehicle with a stall convertor before buying one with a large numerical value, 3000rpm+.
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I never really wanted a huge one, just one that might help out a little. Would a trailblazer unit be good for my application too??
Jaybo and bulldog5.3, Here is the Dacco number. 1-800-443-2226. Ask for the tech dept and they will guide you in the right direction for your application. Tell them the cam, gears and what you want to do with the vehicle. Good Luck!
Thanks nitrous i appreciate your help. Hopefully i can get one that stalls closer to 3000 or 3200.
Anytime bro! Gald I was able to help you out. :cool:
Cool deal guys, the guy at dacco said that the 7732 was better than the trailblazer stall and that it was a smaller than the stock converter. I found one for $293.00 @ TPS in Waco, TX. Sounds good to me and they guy said with the weight of my truck and my 3.73's i should get 3000+ stall.
:cool: let us know how things turn out, good luck.
I'll let you know, this is part of a pretty big upgrade for me. I am going with a 220/224.581/581 on 112LSA comp cam, with comps rods,springs and retainers, with a transgo hd2 shift kit and i am going to have Allen install the cam and tune me up.
Should be a nice set-up
i was gonna get the TB unit for the price, but yank's doing a GP now so i went with theirs for a couple hundred more and got their 3000TT
Im just worried if I get the 2600 that i will want more in a month or so. I had a 2800 in my 98TA and I couldnt stand it after the first week cause it felt like stock. But im sure its different on a 5500 pound truck.
another reason i paid a little more was because the verter weighs less and is stronger. With the TB unit you are putting bascially a stock verter in that stalls to 2600. I just wanted to do mine right while the trans was dropped;)
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Jaybo and bulldog5.3, Here is the Dacco number. 1-800-443-2226. Ask for the tech dept and they will guide you in the right direction for your application. Tell them the cam, gears and what you want to do with the vehicle. Good Luck!
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Thanks man. I'll give them a call :hshake:
the converter i am goin with is closer to 3000stall not 2600, there are 2 different part #'s
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bulldog5.3 @ Feb 1 2006, 11:54 AM) [snapback]43009[/snapback]</div>Quote:
the converter i am goin with is closer to 3000stall not 2600, there are 2 different part #'s
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dont quote me, but someone posted on tech that the 04 model stalled higher than the earlier ones? Its to different part numbers also
oh and gmparts direct has them for like 180+shipping I think
Yeah, they will want about $100 for S&H throught GMPD. :laugh:
I cant remember, but i think mine shipped from them was gonna be 240-60 roughly and no core.. the GM dealer wants 240 and a core
i said hell with it and got a yank for 200ish more
oh and i forgot to post this
http://www.converter.cc/hotspecials/hotspecials.htm
yanks sale untill the 14th for us truck guys!
375 for the yank TT2600 and 475 for the TT3000
thats about 200bucks off each!