This was posted on the Titan board, but I thought it was pretty interesting the percentage of American made parts used in various "imports" vs. the percentage used in "domestics". Titan used 65% American made, Silverado? 65% also.
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This was posted on the Titan board, but I thought it was pretty interesting the percentage of American made parts used in various "imports" vs. the percentage used in "domestics". Titan used 65% American made, Silverado? 65% also.
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it still a import company so its still import. money still goes there not here
That is some very interesting info, I was actually surprised to see Ford that high up. I thought most of that was German made.
But GM is obtaining 35% of their parts from foreign countries and closing dealerships and people are losing jobs. Nissan plants and dealerships here aren't. So is Nissan still worse for our economy than GM?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quik
...For what it's worth, I don't even really care lol...I just thought the facts were interesting that 35% of a Silverado is foreign. :)
Hey, for the parts that are made here... that money stays here. Sure Nissan jacks the price up on the parts used and it's a wash lol... atleast someone in America is getting paid lol
The people that do get paid in America, get tons of money and boni (LOL). Very little gets dispursed among the blue collar folks. The rest of it gets shipped over seas. :(
here is a Hi five we love you America
my truck is 30% US :(
There was a topic on another forum that turned REALLY south last week with a subject like this because of uninformed "flag wavers".
to anyone that cant see this in an economically correct way:
The owners of Nissan, Toyota, etc are all based out of Japan. This means that all the paper pushers, engineers, and chief staff members are in japan. Thats where the primary percentage of profits ends up. Not in the hands of the american people. Another thing, Nissan's biggest sellers only use 55% U.S. made parts. The list also states only the percentage of parts, not which parts. For all we know, they could just be using the nuts, bolts and various small pieces made here.
Dont get me wrong, i believe that competition is the most important part of the vehicle market. Its what drives companies to make the best products. However, anyone who believes that a stronger foreign market in the U.S. does not have a significant negative impact on our economy is sadly mistaken.
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Originally Posted by cjriojas
Well said Chris! :thumb: I am amazed...
Back in 1994, CAFE started classifying vehicles as import and domestic by where the actual vehicle was made. Vehicles made and produced in the United States, regardless of brand, are considered domestic, while vehicles produced outside the United States are considered imported.
However, many of us view a Toyota vehicle made in Ohio, a Nissan built in Kentucky, or a Mercedes-Benz vehicle made in Alabama as an import, while others view a Pontiac vehicle made in Australia as a domestic vehicle. This perception is due to the respective brands' longstanding association with their parent countries: Nissan with Japan, Audi with Germany, and Chevy with the United States.
To clear this obscurity, whether a vehicle can be labeled import or domestic can be easily determined. A vehicle must have labels specifying their percentage value of U.S./Canadian parts content, the country of assembly, and countries of origin of the engine and transmission. These are typically part of, or adjacent, to the vehicle's Monroney sticker. Each vehicle sold in the US carries a VIN, and the VIN identifies the vehicle's country of manufacture and what company made the vehicle. Vehicles manufactured in the US have VINs beginning with the numbers 1, 4, and 5 — regardless of where the company is based. Thus, a Toyota Camry made in the U.S. will have a 1, 4 or 5 at the start of its VIN, while one imported from Japan will begin with the letter J. Actually, ASE is the entity responsible for assigning the three-digit "World Manufacturer Identifier" that begins the VIN label. The VIN is assigned according to the dirt the plant's built on, not the headquarters of the company.
With all of this said, a Toyota Camry can be classified as a domestic vehicle, but as Chris and George have stated, the large number of profits do return to the country of origin. Toyota and Nissan, among others, do build plants and design studios here in the US, which puts their profit dollars back into the US economy, but the main portion of monies made goes back to Japan. The technical data I spoke of above classifies the individual VEHICLE, not the manufacturer as a whole. Bottom line, the manufacturer is based in a certain country, but an individual vehicle may be classified as domestic or import by CAFE here in the US.
quit trying to justify your Nissan Moze!!!!!!
Actually in pretty much all other realms of manufacturing and assembly, the item for sale must have ALL resources and parts, as well as labor originate from the US to be able to advertise as "made in the USA". If those were the rules on vehicles, there would be NONE that would fit under that umbrella and the closest to that would be "foreign" makes.
The money earned by non-union "foreign" car maker employees in total is more than the profit sent to Japan so it's pretty obvious that even saying Nissan and Toyota are foreign because of profit is not well thought out. Those non-union manufacturer workers mean more to me than those working for the UAW or those accepting profits overseas.
The point is not that Nissan or Toyota is better or even more American. The point is they make a slightly greater positive impact overall on the tits-up US economy than does any "domestic" carmaker. That is a fact.
^^^^How is that even true?! Japan also has plants that manufacture cars. There are more employees working for foreign companies in the homeland country than anywhere else. And all the large salary makers are in their homelands.
Damn it Moze look what you've done
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oh well, love my bowties. if it dosnt have a gm stamp it wont be in my garage. someone somewhere will enjoy my $$
Amen brother:chevy:Quote:
Originally Posted by st8kfinger
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Originally Posted by sleeper1500
bit of trivia..
by Tyler's definition, the Silverado SS and the GMC Sierra are Imports.
They are made in Canada.. I know mine was on May 13, 2003 :)
Let's take a look at it from a different angle. I work for an integrated circuits company. We have some proccesses done overseas but we are still considered American made. The wafers that we start out with are made right here in America. We have the wafers shipped to our assembly/test houses in various parts if Asia. They are assembled/tested there for a very small amount of money and returned here. We then in turn sell them at a significantly more expensive price....the money comes back to us here in America, not the company where they were assembled.
We also have product that has everything (wafer fabrication, assembly, and testing) done right here in different areas of the country. And again we sell the pieces and the money comes back to us.
Yes we pay the foreign companys that assemble/test for us, but it's nearly nothing considering what we are paid for our products.
So to me where the company headquarters is, that's where the money is going to be going. Yes pieces/work may be done in a different country but the money comes back to the origin of where the money is being spent to pay for the work/pieces.
So you're saying it's opinion. Thanks. We knew that. Opinions are like a-holes.
most of everyhing we have and use, minus food (and not all of it), are foregin. thanks nafta!. when it comes down to it if things werent made over seas using near slave labor i would not have all the junk i have, including the computer i am complaining about it on because every thing would cost 10x as much but it still sucks. so if my avalanche is 65% american at least a few american families still have a roof over their heads and food on their table.
I'm gonna support Moze on this one. Nissan trucks and SUV's are Sweet. I love the Armada.
No one here is saying they suck, Mark. the argument got way off base.
Case in point: An import/export's purpose is for some country to gain money from another
Last time I checked, the vast majority of Americans have food and a home. Sure, they may not have sweet GM vehicles, but who are we to judge?