Anyone know if a Cam Swap will void my warranty?
I'd like to cam my new truck, but I don't want to void the warranty.
Opnions? Options? Thoughts? :help:
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Anyone know if a Cam Swap will void my warranty?
I'd like to cam my new truck, but I don't want to void the warranty.
Opnions? Options? Thoughts? :help:
Put an original GM camshaft in there and let them prove it didn't come from the factory that way. LS6 sounds good to me.
i think it depends on the situation. if it is simple stuff nopt engine related then i dont think they will even care. but if it is engine related then yes it will. not sure what they will say while it is sitting there loping.
Its my understanding that anything that messes with the internals of the engine will void the warranty.
Do you really need to ask this? Tearing open your motor will void it man...
What about a ported Throttle Body? will one void it then?
Yes (smartass) I really need to ask this. :flipoff:
Because I have a 5 year 75k mile warranty.
If there is a loophole I'm going to find it. Gonna check with my service manager next week on it.
I can't afford forced induction at this time, and I'd hate to have to go to Nitrous to make power after I finish my bolt on's (which will happen in record time since I already have them ready to install as soon as the motor is broken in.)
i have a tune -cam-ported tb-headers and all my mods. unless it is directly related to the parts then they have to repair it.they willnot repair and engine or transmission under warranty if it has aftermarket parts on it. i guess the best bet is to put the parts on and then drive it like you stole it. if it is something other than engine or transmission related i think they will repair it. but they can be dicks and not repair anything. i guess i have gotten lucky when my truck was under warranty i went to a dealer that was cool with it.
If you're worried about the warrantee you can save your stock parts and put them all back on before taking the truck back for warrantee work. Buy a PCM from Allen instead of having him program yours. Any time it goes back to the stealership for repairs put it all back stock to avoid confrontations. Honestly though, I can't recall a single time I had to take a GM product back for engine/transmission work before 100k in the last 17 years of GM ownership. Usually is something unrelated to the drivetrain. Oil technology and improved metallurgy has made those issues a thing of the past unless you do something like remove or increase the rev limiter in the PCM. The factory powdered metal rods won't handle 8000 rpms for too long. Any modification you make to the engine, transmission or fuel management is at your own risk IMO. Be a stand-up guy and take responsibility for your own actions. Don't try to blame big brother for damage you cause yourself. GM doesn't build their trucks for 150 nitrous shots or turbos/blowers. I can understand why they wouldn't want to honor the warrantee on altered engines.
I would not have asked this question without good reason folks.
My 2003 had to have the transmission replaced at 17k miles and she was bone stock at the time. I have very little faith in the NVG 3500, after the replacement the tranmsmission itself ran fine, but I ended up forking over 500 bucks for a shift-tower gasket.
Swapping parts back to stock is all good and well except I can't be taking a cam in and out when I go to the dealership. I bought the warranty to cover the driveline I don't even care about the rest of the stuff, so I don't want to void that part of it.
The PCM swap won't work because i'll be swapping the gears and I won't be able to go back to the factory gears when I put the factory PCM back in.
Greg, we are not talking about Nitrous or blowers here, we are talking about a cam. I don't need a lecture just opnions. Thanks for the input folks.
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Not meant to be a lecture. Internet messages can be so misunderstood. If I paid extra for a full warrantee I would not even think of modifying the drivetrain. You can contact GM and ask them what mods are legally covered under warrantee. GM also can do mods for you and keep your warrantee valid. GM will install a whipple blower on your truck you give you the factory warrantee with it, also. GM is getting into the performance modification business. Check out the Cadillac CTVS? with 500 hp available. I have heard that some dealers will try to void your entire warrantee when you modify any part of the truck. Others only void the part modified, so a cam would void your engine warrantee but not the transmission and rearend. It all depends on the dealer and if they think you have mods done. If you buy a cam with at least 115 LSA your idle will not rock the truck like a 110-112 LSA will.
Okay tough guy... any time you modify your vehicle from stock you're going to void it. ESPECIALLY if it's internal work.Quote:
Originally posted by DemonSilverado@Nov 6 2004, 04:08 AM
Yes (smartass) I really need to ask this. :flipoff:
Because I have a 5 year 75k mile warranty.
If there is a loophole I'm going to find it. Gonna check with my service manager next week on it.
I can't afford forced induction at this time, and I'd hate to have to go to Nitrous to make power after I finish my bolt on's (which will happen in record time since I already have them ready to install as soon as the motor is broken in.)
Think about it... there's no way a dealer is going to cover you if you tore your motor open. It's not rocket science.
I hear ya there Greg. Gotta remember not to take threads to seriously.Quote:
Originally posted by GREG_92_C1500_2001_LS1_A4@Nov 6 2004, 01:13 PM
Internet messages can be so misunderstood.
Are you planning an all motor build up?Quote:
Originally posted by DemonSilverado@Nov 6 2004, 12:19 PM
we are not talking about Nitrous or blowers here, we are talking about a cam.
If so, you'll just have to swallow the damages that may occur.
I know it sucks, but I guess it just goes with the saying "You gotta pay to play"
Take it easy, and let us know how the cam swap goes and if you get any decent performance gains. :thumb:
if you're worried about any type of warranty voiding, I dont think you should even be modding the truck. :bash:
First of all,
Hitman, that was meant as a joke, however it would appear as though you did not take it that way.
Second,
I had several mods on my 2003, although none of them internal, my dealership knew about ALL of them, and never even once thought about voiding my warranty. So don't try to tell me any mod from stock voids it, because that is not true. And yes there were even mods to the driveline (Eaton Posi, 4.11 gears). And yes, I had warranty repairs done AFTER adding the mods by the same delership that knew they were there.
Third,
The service manager at my old dealership offered to install a cam for me on my 03, and promised he could give me written verification that the warranty would not be voided, as long as all of the work was done at the dealership.
HOWEVER, he has since transfered to another dealership, and the new service manager was an mean old SOB so I never even bothered to ask him.
I was not trying to start an argument with you folks. I asked a question and I got alot of "thats a stupid question," or "your stupid for asking that," answers.
There is no need for that. If you read the above about my prior service manager then you will see why I thought there was a possibility of performing a cam swap and keeping my warranty. I realize this situation is not the norm, but it certinly was not a stupid question.
In truth i'm sorry I asked now, I'll just go talk with my service manager and see what he says. I just thought someone on here might have had a similar experience and might be able to offer some input to me, other than "your an idiot for asking that question."
Damn, ya'll need to lighten up. I'm not some freekin newb who has no clue what he's talking about. I had a very legit reason for asking that question.
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Ive had plenty of mods on my truck and have had warranty work done on the truck. Thing is, if something stock breaks, do you really want to replace it with more stock stuff that could break again, or upgrade to something aftermarket?Quote:
Originally posted by DemonSilverado@Nov 7 2004, 03:28 AM
First of all,
Hitman, that was meant as a joke, however it would appear as though you did not take it that way.
Second,
I had several mods on my 2003, although none of them internal, my dealership knew about ALL of them, and never even once thought about voiding my warranty. So don't try to tell me any mod from stock voids it, because that is not true. And yes there were even mods to the driveline (Eaton Posi, 4.11 gears). And yes, I had warranty repairs done AFTER adding the mods by the same delership that knew they were there.
Third,
The service manager at my old dealership offered to install a cam for me on my 03, and promised he could give me written verification that the warranty would not be voided, as long as all of the work was done at the dealership.
HOWEVER, he has since transfered to another dealership, and the new service manager was an mean old SOB so I never even bothered to ask him.
I was not trying to start an argument with you folks. I asked a question and I got alot of "thats a stupid question," or "your stupid for asking that," answers.
There is no need for that. If you read the above about my prior service manager then you will see why I thought there was a possibility of performing a cam swap and keeping my warranty. I realize this situation is not the norm, but it certinly was not a stupid question.
In truth i'm sorry I asked now, I'll just go talk with my service manager and see what he says. I just thought someone on here might have had a similar experience and might be able to offer some input to me, other than "your an idiot for asking that question."
Damn, ya'll need to lighten up. I'm not some freekin newb who has no clue what he's talking about. I had a very legit reason for asking that question.
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For some reason after my custom tuning, I blew my air compressor and didnt have cold a/c. I took it in with no cats, and long tube headers and they had it back to me the same day no questions asked.
Ive also taken in a truck once with a blown tranny and a bald right tire from dogging it out and again this same dealership took it with no problems.
It just all depends on the people you are dealing with ultimately.
I agree w/ ILLNALI.Quote:
Originally posted by ILLNALI@Nov 7 2004, 07:20 AM
Ive had plenty of mods on my truck and have had warranty work done on the truck. Thing is, if something stock breaks, do you really want to replace it with more stock stuff that could break again, or upgrade to something aftermarket?
For some reason after my custom tuning, I blew my air compressor and didnt have cold a/c. I took it in with no cats, and long tube headers and they had it back to me the same day no questions asked.
Ive also taken in a truck once with a blown tranny and a bald right tire from dogging it out and again this same dealership took it with no problems.
It just all depends on the people you are dealing with ultimately.
If you add a cam more than likely you will void the warranty on the motor.
i think if it is not directly related to the cam then i dont think they will say much but it is hard to say.
Giving me the finger is not in anyway comical to me nor anyone else. Just remember I don't take that shit from anyone, espically punks online trying to prove some point to me that's preposterous to begin with.Quote:
Originally posted by DemonSilverado@Nov 7 2004, 04:28 AM
First of all,
Hitman, that was meant as a joke, however it would appear as though you did not take it that way.
Installing gears is part of the rear axle... not the motor. That's not comparing the same thing here. You're talking internal modifications to the motor.
Sure labor supplied by the dealer ($70-90/hr by their books) and you can have a warranty is possible as it's done there. What if you keep stock pushrods and bend one at 6600rpm or throw a rod/spin a bearing at those RPMs as you didn't upgrade the rod bolts either? Think they'd warranty you for a new motor? Doubtful.
If you're that scared and paranoid about the warranty going away, don't spend the money modifying the truck. Pretty simple. If you're not worried, bite the bullet and drop the cash and be ready for stuff to break like the rest of us. You can't have your cake and eat it to... basically don't expect someone else to foot your bill for something they didn't do.
The warranty is there for a stock/stock type vehicle...
To much bull shit on this thread :bs: .
The dealer is going to find any reason to void your warranty.
man i guess you are going to have to bite the bullet or leave it alone. :duh:
You know what, I made a long post and I have decided against it.
You thought the question was stupid and I was stuipd for asking it. I disagree. You thought the finger icon was an insult, I thought it was a joke since his touge is sitcking out.
I like this board and I don't want to argue on it.
I'll agree to disagree on this thread. :hshake:
well if you are going to disagree why ask. if you screw with it it will be out of warranty or they will refuse to work on it. what else do you want to know. that is the bottom line. :whack:
Read again.Quote:
Originally posted by 02Denali@Nov 18 2004, 06:08 AM
well if you are going to disagree why ask. if you screw with it it will be out of warranty or they will refuse to work on it. what else do you want to know. that is the bottom line. :whack:
I never said I disagreed with what was said, I disagreed that the question was stupid.
I asked the question to see if anyone had similar experience, and believe it or not I got the answer I was looking for. I'll proally stick with a GM cam, Z06 etc, that was an idea I had not thought of. As for the valvetrain, it will be difficult for them to blame any engine failure on an imporoved valvetrain so I'm not to worried about that.
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