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OK so the level 5 lost the 3-4 clutch packs today.
My one option is to send it back to the builder. Expenses would be as follows:
$150 shipping there
$250 labor
$500 (just a guess) in parts
$150 return shipping
$1000 or so total
My other option is posting this in hopes someone has something they're looking to sell.
Any other ideas...?
I can help you change out the 3-4 clutches and the other two clutch sets also in the input housing for a small fee if you bring it to me. I also have an input housing if you need it as well. I can also take it all the way down if you'd like. In fact, we can do it together...bring friends too....
I forget where you're located?
'Bout an hour & 36 minutes up 35 in Texas....barely.
I need help and so do you....LOL
:tvhaha:
hell just get an 80e now and be finished. It'll just break again later.
hell just send me the money
send the flt to flt rebuild it sell it then buy the 80e you should be able to sell the flt for the price it takes to buy and convert to the 80e.
I did not think your L5 was that old??? Vince will not cut you a break? I thought this transmission was not supposed to break?Quote:
Originally Posted by DamnYankee
anything can break. Its only rated up to right at five with out the billet input/output shaftsQuote:
Originally Posted by -HIC-
would the billet shaft prevented the clutches from going out?
I have no idea I was just stating that..Quote:
Originally Posted by atruck
clutches wear out it's just a fact.
thats why i went to the 80e as fast as i could moze...we are putting down 600 hp to the wheels and you prolly like to beat on the truck as much as i do....
here's a cheap 80e and verter:4l80e With Verter - PerformanceTrucks.net Forums
There are other factors that come into play.
As far as the 80 - I don't have the money to upgrade and the time to do everything involved with the conversion.
I don't have the billet shafts, but that doesn't affect the clutch packs.
A while back while some other work was being done I also had them put the original small aftermarket trans cooler in. When the guy did it he bypassed the trans cooler in the radiator. I ran it like that for quite a while because he said it was fine that way. Greg said that likely killed the clutch packs due to the heat it would have created.
What tells me he is likely right, other than that he is always right, is when I ran at the track, Virgil checked my trans temp and it was at like 270 degrees. So I'm not blaming FLT here.
The plan is to yank it out (hopefully some night this week), order the parts, take it to Greg's on Saturday, and hopefully be driving it at this time next week. It's killing me because it's my daily driver.
Go here 700R4, 700 Raptor Transmission from PATC, 700R4 4L60E 48RE 4L80E and buy the #14XXE blue plate special 3-4 clutch pack, call them to place the order and tell them you need new steels to go with them, get the carbon fiber band and a new drum #11A
and order these...
Oregon Performance Transmission, Inc. PTM-P5100LLS++ full master rebuild kit, PTM-P5100L-9 clutch steels,
This will provide a complete rebuild minus bushings and will replace the stock 3-4 pack with the blue plates. If money is tight we can build it without the BPs and I'll still do the mod to the drum to prevent the centrifugal apply we talked about. The drum is something that has to be checked at disassembly to see if the band is bad or the drum is warped. We can probably get away with not buying any of the parts in the first list, I just like the stronger plates. The BorgWarner plates in the OPT kit are what FLT uses in their builds so I would feel okay putting them back in with the drum modification.
The turbo is much easier on a trans than a nitrous engine on equal power levels. I think it could be rebuilt to hold the power. There are a lot of fbody guys running over 1000 hp on a 60/65e.
Thanks for the info Greg. I'll order everything first thing tomorrow.
Nathan said he has some stuff we may need? Maybe you guys can communicate since I'm not sure what I do and don't need of what he has...
you might just order all clutches and steels so it will be fresh.
Just edit your post and tell me exactly what you think I should get to hopefully prevent this from happening again. I don't have the time to screw it up and order the wrong thing.
FWIW it can always happen again. :lol:
if i can help let me know. this sux Moze
Thanks Greg. That's why I underlined "hopefully". But thanks for confirming. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by RedHeartbeat
OK. If I can make it on the day you guys choose I can bring some hard parts, a bunch of assorted FREE small parts (seals, etc.) and maybe some special tools that Greg may or may not have to make it quicker. 3-4 failures are oil problems, not abuse (usually) and are common (but not likely FLT's fault). I look forward to it IF I can make it by. Greg's not that far from me (in fact he's probably the closest regular user here).
Still thinking....
Sux to hear moze, but running around with your setup and a 60e is just asking for it, as you know.
Start saving for an 80e, you'll need it.
This will be one of many rebuilds.
Just a tip, increase line pressure to help hold those clutches together. It's ok for the trans to hit hard! Just not neck breaking, you'll know if it's too hard.
good luck, i'm sure the guys will get your squared away.
btw, a stock 80e with a shiftkit should run you around 1K.
later,
allen
3-4's go out from lack of oil (Allen agrees by upping pressures there) and lllllooooonnnnnggggg WFO 4th gear pulls (or towing).
but then he has to buy a converter so he's not turn a 50 lbs weight, another $800 or so. I've got an 80e here but no small converters and it needs new clutches and steels plus a slip joint type output shaft, this one is a bolt on shaft.
Would love it if you could make it Nathan.
Allen, the logistics are keeping me from the 80e. Don't think I have time to find and install the 80 since I would need the crossmember modified, driveshaft, harness, etc........
Unless someone knows some shortcuts.
I have 3.42's so long WOT in 4th doesn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by GasGuzzler
read over Allen's 80e conversion post and see the inventory of part you'll need, trans, converter, wiring adapter, trans mount, yoke for 80e and shortening of driveshaft. Oh yeah, the PCM need retuned for it.
You may need a flat flywheel and spacer, too. I have that if needed.
But you agree I don't have the time to do that within a week right?
Well we need upped pressures in the tune as Allen suggested and/or oil mods that Greg might know. I know that I've had low mileage stock 3-4 problems that I've done nothing but put more clutches in and have not seen them back (in this town I would know for sure if they failed again).....this leads me to believe that sometimes there are excessive clearances or something else in the build that leads to these 3-4 failures....
oh ya, on top of the cost of the 80e, add another 2K, lol.
your 60e will hold for a while to have fun with.
Yeah Greg mentioned drilling a small hole somewhere to eliminate fluid from accumulating - I'll let him explain it rather than me butcher it.
I can get Louis to up the line pressure.
Now we're getting somewhere....
The 3-4 clutch pack has a history of being partially engaged during high RPM passes while in gears 1 and 2. This is caused by transmission fluid getting slung to the walls of the drum, packing in tight and applying pressure to the clutches. This leads to premature clutch failure. When you buy a blue plate special kit for the 3-4 clutches they include a instruction sheet on where, how and why to do the modification. Oh yeah, I have the instruction sheet still. :thumb:
Goodie!
See, it's nice to have friends, huh?
LOL
Man that sucks so are you going to be able to rebuild it this saturday?
Get a instrument cluster with a transtemp gauge. You must do this in rder for any other trans to serive
Looks like a party at Greg's.
When and what time i might have to take my new truck on a road trip.