HMP 1/8th - first 90mph trap!

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10-12-2008, 10:07 PM
-HIC-

HMP 1/8th - first 90mph trap!

I went to HMP tonight and was able to squeze in my first 90mph trap to date! The night started out ruff. My first pass I forgot to turn my master nitrous switch on, and sounded like a ricer telling the guy I raced that I felt like my N20 did not come on.. Anyway he was a real cool guy, and I still beat him running a 8.6 - His truck deff looked better going down the track though!

Here is the best pass:

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R .6818
60' 1.7842
330' 5.0988
1/8 7.8208
MPH 90.96
10-12-2008, 10:13 PM
Sleaper

Nice times!!
10-12-2008, 10:16 PM
ducky

hell yeah! ill get the list updated in a bit
10-12-2008, 10:18 PM
bluecajun5.3

very nice and keep improving the times! :thumb:
i need to go run my stuff since switching to the smaller CircleD converter to see how it does.
10-12-2008, 10:21 PM
-HIC-

Thanks Guys, I will get the vid up tomorrow!! I had the oppertuninty to unload my best pass on a slow deisel :ugh2:
10-12-2008, 10:40 PM
ff_jeff

Nice times B. You can forget about entry fees spray vs spray though! :LOL:
10-12-2008, 10:41 PM
ducky

ill update it tomorrow. id love to see the vids too!
10-12-2008, 11:29 PM
-HIC-

I know it always feels faster when you are behind the wheel, but this pass felt like a real high 11 pass to me! I hope so, but in all reality I think my truck will still be in the low 12's. I hope swapping my ET streets with Hoosier slicks will allow me to lower my 60' and I think I will be there!!
10-12-2008, 11:37 PM
casey23

Track times..

Congrats !!.... All U need for an 11sec pass is a 1/4 mile track... I think it will go 11.90s without a doubt if u can repeat the first half numbers again :)
10-12-2008, 11:54 PM
mean05

you will need 7.6's maybe low 7.7's 1/8th for a solid 11 sec pass....mph is real nice though....how was the 2 stage working for you?
10-13-2008, 12:21 AM
-HIC-

Link added folks! They did not display times on this run for some reason..
10-13-2008, 12:24 AM
-HIC-

Man it was tough tonight I was having problems on the line with just the 75 shot. I was probably pulling in the second stage between 100 - 200 feet out. It was running rich tonight, so I still have some bugs to workout. I am pleased with how it did considering the 60' issues. I need to get those Hoosiers ASAP!
10-13-2008, 12:30 AM
-HIC-

Quote:

Originally Posted by ff_jeff

Nice times B. You can forget about entry fees spray vs spray though! :LOL:

Thats cool Jeff! I was really just playing though, I am not going to take money from anyone! I just want to have a good time!
10-13-2008, 01:52 AM
bluecajun5.3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quik

congrats that turns out to be a midish high 11

not really,
more like 12.30's going off the et
10-13-2008, 09:20 AM
GasGuzzler

90 is strong. Good job.
10-13-2008, 09:56 AM
mean05

Quote:

Originally Posted by -HIC-

Man it was tough tonight I was having problems on the line with just the 75 shot. I was probably pulling in the second stage between 100 - 200 feet out. It was running rich tonight, so I still have some bugs to workout. I am pleased with how it did considering the 60' issues. I need to get those Hoosiers ASAP!

a 1.78 60' isnt to horrible although i think you can see some high 1.6-low 1.7 on the 75 shot...now that you have the 2 stage working it's time to work on the hooking up part...look into what freemaSSon was telling you about timing and ramping it in
10-13-2008, 10:58 AM
TXsilverado

my 7.72 came out to a 12.19 in the 1/4 but you have me by over 1mph at the 1/8 traps...wish you could have made it out on friday. i ended up running 7.9 with a 1.76 60' on motor. next time out i may have the nitrous. the 60' times should drop in good weather. youll be in the 11's soon!
10-13-2008, 11:46 PM
DamnYankee

Nice run :thumb:
10-14-2008, 10:09 PM
vv8

nice times B, tx and B I should be at HRP friday night, But in the GTO, laters.
10-14-2008, 10:12 PM
-HIC-

When will you have that truck back together Kevin?? I will be in CO for work through the weekend, but I am shooting for my first 11 second pass the following friday at HRP on a 200 shot!!
10-15-2008, 12:59 AM
TXsilverado

I'm out of town this weekend. we will definately hook up sometime this winter
10-15-2008, 07:37 AM
Botlfed

hmmm i say im spraying a 200 shot everyone says it'll blow, i dont see anyone saying it here:ugh2: let me know how this goes man, all praise the 5.3 :laugh:
10-15-2008, 08:21 AM
RedHeartbeat

200 shot on stock rod and rod bolts? Be sure you give it kiss before you kill it. I've heard the crank is good to 1000 hp but the rods are only good to about 650 and the shearing forces created by NOS may kill it faster than you can blink an eye. You need some steel backed rod bearings, too, so you don't hammer them out.
10-15-2008, 09:29 AM
freemaSSon

DAMN IT BOI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

90 MPH is FLYING for that ET....really impressive.....

give it a 100 and build a custom timing table........
10-15-2008, 11:44 AM
TXsilverado

i know a guy who put tons of nitrous through his stock bottom end LS1. 200 shot on pump gas and never had a problem.

im wanting a 200 shot but i want to atleast have the rod bolts done before then. didnt mean05 have a 200 shot too?
10-15-2008, 11:48 AM
mean05

i had a 250 on my stock bottom end till i cammed it then went to a 200 shot...enough fuel and the right timing and the 200 will go all day long
10-15-2008, 01:09 PM
-HIC-

The way I have my timing table now the 175 shot is tame. I will be pulling 2 more degrees for the 200 shot. I am not saying it will not blow, just that I am not pushing it on the timing.
10-15-2008, 01:22 PM
-HIC-

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedHeartbeat

200 shot on stock rod and rod bolts? Be sure you give it kiss before you kill it. I've heard the crank is good to 1000 hp but the rods are only good to about 650 and the shearing forces created by NOS may kill it faster than you can blink an eye. You need some steel backed rod bearings, too, so you don't hammer them out.

I will not have 650 HP even with a 200 shot. The second stage does not come in right away, and when activated it is not a violent hit. All of this does not mean much. I have been spraying the duel stage 175 for 4 bottles now without a problem. With the right timing and AFR I doubt the extra 25 will be that big a diff. I could be completly wrong, and I will be the first to admit that if I have problems. I am still running the stock transmission as well. When these parts decide to give I will replace them. I have been in contact with LME - I am already planning on replacing this engine, so if it caves its not that big a deal. We all take our trucks to the track and submit them to violent launches, etc.. If we are always afraid of stuff breaking I think we would be into another sport.
10-15-2008, 02:09 PM
freemaSSon

alot of the nitrous has to do with the amount of COMPRESSION.....many of the truck engines have very LOW C/R's in the high 9's and very very low 10's....

if you have an LQ4 or the LQ9 then the cylinder wall flex is reduced with a more ridgid bloack and the LQ4 has like 9.7ish C/R or something really stupid low and the piston are so deep in the block, it has like damn near a .100 "QUENCH" which is you piston to deck height clearance distance.....and anything over a .075 will permit you to run MORE of any power adder.....even if you deck the heads to 58 or smaller CC's to get the compression up and a .045 gasket you will get like an high 10 to 11 flat C/R and that DEEP SUNK piston will hold more timing, more NO2 more boost with lower octane.....

IMHO any truck with the LQ4 has the building blocks for more power than EVERY OTHER STOCK LSx bottom end PERIOD.....if you keep the RPM's to more than 6000 rpm's that stock bottom will handle 700 at the crank for more miles than the bushing that support the body.....HANDS DOWN the best STOCK BOTTOM.....

the 4.8's and 5.3's all have good starting points as well, the piston are sunk VERY deep in the bores "QUENCH" is one of the biggest power making secrets in the LSx generation motors......i am working with one of my brothers to build a 4-bolt 350 with the same technology edges in the LSx series in his dirt car, he is the lead tech in an old school machine shop in Houston and i have been trying to get him and the shop owner to experiment with some of my input and a roller setup in his dirt car to make MORE power with 93 octane......

so my long way to what i'm saying is it is MY THEORY that the rods botls are most effected from the ABOVE 6000 RPM power adding......and -HIC- it is not the timing that will get you it is the OCTANE.....if you use 100/101/104 whatever that range Unleaded race gas at your local track is buy 5 gallons add it to the tank at about 1/8th when you get to the track.....then leave the line on 10 degress of timing at 1800 rpms make all the KPA 10 degrees of timing then interpolate a LINEAR line from the ENTIRE COLUMN to about 4500-4600 rpms to 25 degrees and run the 25 degrees to the end of the table.....this will allow you to have a real FLAT hit then the shot will be at full strength at about the end of the 60' and it should run out the back door like you have never felt......

****BUT DO NOT EVER RUN MORE THAN 20 DEG. with 93 and that much nitrous.....with an additive try 22 but that is PUSHING your luck......5 gallons of 100 added to about 1/8th of a tank will net about 97-98 which is SUPER safe and it will make MORE POWER with a SUPER COLD plug.....TR7 minimum part #7317 and a TR8 may be best to be the SAFEST with the STOCK hyperuteptic pistons.....the colder the plug the cooler it should power not by much but at that amount of nitrous COOLEST is always best......i'm running the TR7 #7317 with a LOOSE .030 gap on my 200 shot.....

i am no authority just sharing my education and experience with nitrous......i have had to educte myself and i have been exposed to some of the most successful nitrous guys and i have become a sponge after all i have a 15G+ ENGINE at stake.....

as far as AFR i have found that the learner the shot DOES NOT ALWAYS MAKE THE MOST POWER.....my research with my truck has found about 11.6-11.9 is the sweet spot for me......put the NO2 pill in and leave it then toy with leaning the fuel pill until you feel it or see it begin to nose over......ANYTHING in the 11's is safe the 12's are only risky if you are on pump gas but with octane 12.5 is not unheard of.....but for me i have taken it all the way to 12.3ish and it started falling off at around the 11.9 range......anything leaner and i lost power.....the 11.9 as the shot gets going and mine settles in at 11.6-11.7 and drives out the back door.........200 shot PILLED at .78 and .41
10-15-2008, 04:00 PM
-HIC-

Quote:

Originally Posted by freemaSSon

alot of the nitrous has to do with the amount of COMPRESSION.....many of the truck engines have very LOW C/R's in the high 9's and very very low 10's....

if you have an LQ4 or the LQ9 then the cylinder wall flex is reduced with a more ridgid bloack and the LQ4 has like 9.7ish C/R or something really stupid low and the piston are so deep in the block, it has like damn near a .100 "QUENCH" which is you piston to deck height clearance distance.....and anything over a .075 will permit you to run MORE of any power adder.....even if you deck the heads to 58 or smaller CC's to get the compression up and a .045 gasket you will get like an high 10 to 11 flat C/R and that DEEP SUNK piston will hold more timing, more NO2 more boost with lower octane.....

IMHO any truck with the LQ4 has the building blocks for more power than EVERY OTHER STOCK LSx bottom end PERIOD.....if you keep the RPM's to more than 6000 rpm's that stock bottom will handle 700 at the crank for more miles than the bushing that support the body.....HANDS DOWN the best STOCK BOTTOM.....

the 4.8's and 5.3's all have good starting points as well, the piston are sunk VERY deep in the bores "QUENCH" is one of the biggest power making secrets in the LSx generation motors......i am working with one of my brothers to build a 4-bolt 350 with the same technology edges in the LSx series in his dirt car, he is the lead tech in an old school machine shop in Houston and i have been trying to get him and the shop owner to experiment with some of my input and a roller setup in his dirt car to make MORE power with 93 octane......

so my long way to what i'm saying is it is MY THEORY that the rods botls are most effected from the ABOVE 6000 RPM power adding......and -HIC- it is not the timing that will get you it is the OCTANE.....if you use 100/101/104 whatever that range Unleaded race gas at your local track is buy 5 gallons add it to the tank at about 1/8th when you get to the track.....then leave the line on 10 degress of timing at 1800 rpms make all the KPA 10 degrees of timing then interpolate a LINEAR line from the ENTIRE COLUMN to about 4500-4600 rpms to 25 degrees and run the 25 degrees to the end of the table.....this will allow you to have a real FLAT hit then the shot will be at full strength at about the end of the 60' and it should run out the back door like you have never felt......

****BUT DO NOT EVER RUN MORE THAN 20 DEG. with 93 and that much nitrous.....with an additive try 22 but that is PUSHING your luck......5 gallons of 100 added to about 1/8th of a tank will net about 97-98 which is SUPER safe and it will make MORE POWER with a SUPER COLD plug.....TR7 minimum part #7317 and a TR8 may be best to be the SAFEST with the STOCK hyperuteptic pistons.....the colder the plug the cooler it should power not by much but at that amount of nitrous COOLEST is always best......i'm running the TR7 #7317 with a LOOSE .030 gap on my 200 shot.....

i am no authority just sharing my education and experience with nitrous......i have had to educte myself and i have been exposed to some of the most successful nitrous guys and i have become a sponge after all i have a 15G+ ENGINE at stake.....

as far as AFR i have found that the learner the shot DOES NOT ALWAYS MAKE THE MOST POWER.....my research with my truck has found about 11.6-11.9 is the sweet spot for me......put the NO2 pill in and leave it then toy with leaning the fuel pill until you feel it or see it begin to nose over......ANYTHING in the 11's is safe the 12's are only risky if you are on pump gas but with octane 12.5 is not unheard of.....but for me i have taken it all the way to 12.3ish and it started falling off at around the 11.9 range......anything leaner and i lost power.....the 11.9 as the shot gets going and mine settles in at 11.6-11.7 and drives out the back door.........200 shot PILLED at .78 and .41

this is good stuff Pat! I am running my duel stage at 21 degrees of timing total, and the afr around 11.7 with TR6 plugs. I have been adding race gas at the track, so it looks like I am headed in the right direction!
10-15-2008, 04:03 PM
freemaSSon

come out of the hole on less timing and you can ramp the nitrous in earlier with more nitrous sooner to get some REDICULOUS time and still be safe......with the race gas you can use more timing on the top end....
10-15-2008, 05:27 PM
MKader17

Man that truck moves! Where were you racing at?

If your going to be at houston raceway this weekend I may have to drive in and watch. I probably won't run my truck, unless a cold front comes in, but ti would be fun to watch
10-15-2008, 05:29 PM
-HIC-

Thx man, that was last Sunday at HMP! I am shooting to be at HRP 10/24
10-15-2008, 10:18 PM
vv8

good luck in CO. its cold there right now hahaha, the truck should be running next week, waiting on push rods now.
10-16-2008, 01:41 PM
carfreak07

Quote:

Originally Posted by -HIC-

I know it always feels faster when you are behind the wheel, but this pass felt like a real high 11 pass to me! I hope so, but in all reality I think my truck will still be in the low 12's. I hope swapping my ET streets with Hoosier slicks will allow me to lower my 60' and I think I will be there!!

So are you running Nitrous? Your track times say N/A, just curious about your truck, that things flying!
10-16-2008, 02:29 PM
GasGuzzler

Oops.
10-18-2008, 11:17 PM
-HIC-

Quote:

Originally Posted by carfreak07

So are you running Nitrous? Your track times say N/A, just curious about your truck, that things flying!

Ducky updated my 1/8 to include my N20. But yeah I launch on a 75 shot and bring in a second stage when the bite feels good.
10-22-2008, 11:46 PM
MKader17

You still planning on being at HRP this friday?
10-23-2008, 02:39 PM
-HIC-

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKader17

You still planning on being at HRP this friday?

MK I am installing a new Verter tomorrow and a HD-2 shift kit. You are more than welcome to come by and help out and have a few beers. I will probably grill some steaks as well. So my truck will not be back together until Saturday. So at this point I plan to do some motor passes at HMP on Sunday afternoon. It would be cool if you could stop by or just meet up at HMP on Sunday. I am concentrating on Getting my 60' time down in preparation for thhat elusive 11 second pass.
B