Hydrogen Kit

Since its pretty much proven this setup cuts down emissions. I wonder if a truck could pass a sniffer test with this HHO kit and with out cats

So any reviews on this yet? Very interested just would like to hear some other opinions.

Somebody posted a link to this thread in the DenaliTruck.com forum in a thread about "The Mileage Monster"

This was my reply in that thread:

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Originally Posted by Top Dog

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Originally Posted by Az Syndicate

Wow, I figured everyone would say that this is a scam right away.

Do any of you think this is even a engineering possible achievement?

I liked Butch's breakdown and the O2 sensor issue.

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OK... "THIS IS A SCAM!!" is that good enough?

I haven't located a reliable number for the energy consumption to electrolyze water, but since the energy that comes out of burning hydrogen comes from the same molecular bonds that absorb energy in the process of electrolysis, the absolute best you could hope for is to recover exactly the same amount of energy. Unfortunately, we live in a real world and energy conversion efficiencies of 100% simply don't exist. 50% to 80% is the range of estimates I have found for electrolysis.

Even if that conversion was 100% efficient, the thermal efficiency of burning fuel in an internal combustion engine is around 20%, and the efficiency of mechanically generating electricity is at best 50 - 60% in a constant rpm generator and a small fraction of that for an automobile alternator whose rpm and load is constantly fluctuating.

The only reason this device can temporarily improve fuel economy is that you start with a fully charged battery. The only reason the overall result is not a huge increase in fuel consumption is that the alternator is only capable of absorbing a tiny fraction of the engine's power, even under full load.

This scam has been around in various incarnations since I was a kid. Like the old saying, mistakenly attributed to P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute"

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Nice troll. BTW this guy obviously doesn't know how HHO cells work. The amount of '' energy '' required is about 10 amps to run it. Your stereo uses more than that. Its not about ''energy'' or electricity until you get into using HHO as a primary source of fuel. This is a supplement. Makes the fuel you already run more efficient. Also cuts down on emissions.
If this guys Hypothesis is correct, the 10 amps needed to run it is all that it could return to the alternator? This cell doesn't make electricity, it doesn't drain the battery. If this cell needed like 30amps... it still would not hurt anything. The only thing to consider is what the o2 sensors are reading. That's why you might need a EFIE or a tune to compensate for the lean reading from the o2's.
HHO makes the combustion process more efficient. It burns most of the fuel normal combustion misses. Yes gas is about 20% efficient, but thats when it comes to combustion. HHO is almost 100%. HHO and gasoline are not anywhere close to the same thing. So the same principals, rules, and limitations don't apply. There are a bunch of people getting positive results with HHO supplementation. On my for sale thread One customer reported 18% increase without an EFIE. I get over 30% better MPG. Whether or not someone understands how it works has no affect on if it actually works or not.

If people weren't getting results then these unit's use would have been quashed a long time ago. Remember when the fad was to tape the magnets to the fuel line to supposedly align the fuel molecules and improve fuel mileage? That was one I could not get a handle on, myself. A couple guys at work paid about $15 each a couple months ago for a commercially available clip on magnet for their cars, installed them and got absolutely no gains on fuel mileage. I had to laugh. :lol:

OK Top Dog....nice try...but Jeff is an upstanding and well known member here and we have seen the gains first hand.If he was scamming we would have hung his ass out to dry along time ago,and remember....this is an assisted kit not true hydrogen only.Thaks for your 2 cents anyway....LMAO!

:ban: <--- thats for your jeff. you damn scammer! praying on us poor souls to steal our money to use on European hookers.

BTW, nice first post. Are you an engineer?? Mechanical, electrical, industrial? Are you a degreed chemist? Did you quote Barnum to see if any suckers would believe your theories?

Basic chemistry and thermodynamics, you can't get more energy out of a system than you put into it.

BSc Mech Eng. PEng.

Whatever...

But how can you disprove facts if the author of this post ff_jeff has seen factual evidence that he has gotten better gas mileage from his own HHO kit?