Why not more 454's?

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Originally Posted by scottyd2506

Same with BBC or LSX.. in todays world.. you build with what you have and do not cry about it..

LSX 454.....
620hp what $14,000

Not bad

But

525 BBC
700hp on PUMP GAS only $8,995.00
Big Block Chevy 525ci 700HP Pro Street Crate Engine | Awesome Engines

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Ok im gona step in here and say YOU ARE AN IDIOT! you just compared a lsx GMPP crate motor to a private BBC builder. EVERYONE know all crate motors are CRAP! they are built for the "rich idiot that wants a 100% gm motor" that lsx 454 does NOT have a "big cam" it does NOT have "awesomly ported heads" all the parts in it are way over priced and dont match. Do you really think that a crate motor will hang with a fully built (and built right) 525ci BBC? NO they wouldent! you would have to be retarded to think that. Quit comparing apples to oranges. Yes if you want to run 6's N/A then you go with a big block, but seriously who give a flying fk if its N/A, i sure dont and thats all that really matter to me.

I have yet to figure out why everyone is still arguing it. Each animal has its uses.
Otherwise who the f cares. I sure as heck don't. I doubt Mic gives a hoot if a big block beats him. I bet he is just out for the fun of it. Then again he might have something up his sleeve. You never know what the Mic will pull out of his hat.

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Originally Posted by 408.Luke

Ok im gona step in here and say YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
EVERYONE know all crate motors are CRAP! .

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"EVERYONE know all crate" LOL

What kind of grammar is that?
Who is the "IDIOT" who does not know proper grammar!
Are you old enough to be on here?


BTW if this 620 hp 454 LSX is such a mismatched combo, show me all those 800 hp pump gas N/A all motor 454 LSX's that do have the right parts please???

ok first off, thats a typing error, or are u incapable of figuring that out?
Second off whats it matter how old i am? (im actually 11 and my parent gave me consent to post this) now dont you feel bad for makin fun of a little kid?

Now to what we were discussing, this IS out of the 14000$ price range but its not even 454 cubes so ima (ohhhh nooo there's more bad grammer!) let it pass lol
YouTube - SAM's 1000hp N/A Camaro SS 433ci LSX Engine Dyno Pull

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Originally Posted by 408.Luke

ok first off, thats a typing error, or are u incapable of figuring that out?
Second off whats it matter how old i am? (im actually 11 and my parent gave me consent to post this) now dont you feel bad for makin fun of a little kid?

Now to what we were discussing, this IS out of the 14000$ price range but its not even 454 cubes so ima (ohhhh nooo there's more bad grammer!) let it pass lol
YouTube - SAM's 1000hp N/A Camaro SS 433ci LSX Engine Dyno Pull

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I'll skip the childish flames, mommy might just take ur laptop away.. your too good a person for me to do that.
Anyways, back on topic!
I thought we was comparing PUMP GAS engines!! what happened, coundn't find any, had to go search full out RACE LSX engines.. LOL.

That LSX 15:1 compression full race engines. 11,000 rpm LSX engine is impressive, but for a full out race pro stock style build, it's nothing to a Chevy rat

Sorry, but no one builds a BBC to have a dinky 400-460 something cubes.. so live with it.
Since we left the pump gas wars and got into full out N/A RACE engines .. here you go.


http://www.racingjunk.com/category/9...K-ENGINES.html

http://awesomeengines.biz/big-block-...r-race-engine/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKH2RWZdZhM

http://awesomeengines.biz/big-block-...r-race-engine/

bow to the KING, a BBC! LOL

Would you guys just drop it already. LS makes more power per cubic inch. BBC can go to mammoth cubic inches. LS has more technology. BBC has 40 years of engineering. WE ALL GET IT. Would you mullet headed ass holes just quit, this is an LS site of course there's going to be a god damn bias. Go play with your little turn left circle jerk cars and TBI 305's no one cares.

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Originally Posted by scottyd2506

"EVERYONE know all crate" LOL

What kind of grammar is that?
Who is the "IDIOT" who does not know proper grammar!
Are you old enough to be on here?


BTW if this 620 hp 454 LSX is such a mismatched combo, show me all those 800 hp pump gas N/A all motor 454 LSX's that do have the right parts please???

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scotty, you have a total of 26 posts that all came from this thread. you dont know sht about lsx motors. why are you running your mouth like you are the all knowing of all that is engines. the man made a valid point and you chose to acknowledge his grammer. WTF man, are you trying to steer clear of the subject.

the fact of the matter is, no one on this board gives a dam about bb in their trucks. everyone on here is 100% aware that big blocks exist and what they are capable of. if someone really wanted to run a bb in their truck they wouldve done it a long time ago. everything you have said to this point has absolutely no meaning with the single intention to validate yourself as a hotrodder. C'mon man, get over it. you came to this site to learn about ls motors. go to another to talk about big blocks

bump for more carnage lol

almost 30 pages

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Originally Posted by cjriojas

scotty, you have a total of 26 posts that all came from this thread. you dont know sht about lsx motors. why are you running your mouth like you are the all knowing of all that is engines. the man made a valid point and you chose to acknowledge his grammer. WTF man, are you trying to steer clear of the subject.

the fact of the matter is, no one on this board gives a dam about bb in their trucks. everyone on here is 100% aware that big blocks exist and what they are capable of. if someone really wanted to run a bb in their truck they wouldve done it a long time ago. everything you have said to this point has absolutely no meaning with the single intention to validate yourself as a hotrodder. C'mon man, get over it. you came to this site to learn about ls motors. go to another to talk about big blocks

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If this thread bothers you, why do you keep reading it, why do you keep posting on it???
You've not added anything to the 454 thread but argue the BBC vs LSXX yourself.
your mouthing off to others sitting behind your computer 1000 miles away. anytime someone is in a debate, you get mad and flame them as you have no ground to stand on.
look back at your posts.. all negative!

And yes you are correct, I don't know jack **** about LS engines, I with I knew 10% of what most people here know about them.. most I have done is take apart my LQ9..

I'm not some Nissan guy here claiming my truck is better, I own a 2000 Z28 ls1 and 2002 Silverado 5.3 LS vehicles. So I have as much right here as you do.
. I'm also a Chevy guy and will defend the BB Chevy too. I know what they can do

love the ls engines.. but I'll not be blinded by thinking they are superior to all . close maybe!
when ones gets on any Chevy forum (LS, SBC BBC, 6cy, diesel etc) , and talks down a BBC expect a debate! Chevy guys defend Chevy's! Us older ones know what BBC can do as well as the LS.

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Originally Posted by cjriojas

scotty, you have a total of 26 posts that all came from this thread. you dont know sht about lsx motors. why are you running your mouth like you are the all knowing of all that is engines. the man made a valid point and you chose to acknowledge his grammer. WTF man, are you trying to steer clear of the subject.

the fact of the matter is, no one on this board gives a dam about bb in their trucks. everyone on here is 100% aware that big blocks exist and what they are capable of. if someone really wanted to run a bb in their truck they wouldve done it a long time ago. everything you have said to this point has absolutely no meaning with the single intention to validate yourself as a hotrodder. C'mon man, get over it. you came to this site to learn about ls motors. go to another to talk about big blocks

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If this thread bothers you, why do you keep reading it, why do you keep posting on it???
You've not added anything to the 454 thread but argue the BBC vs LSXX yourself.
your mouthing off to others sitting behind your computer 1000 miles away. anytime someone is in a debate, you get mad and flame them as you have no ground to stand on.
look back at your posts.. all negative!

And yes you are correct, I don't know jack **** about LS engines, I with I knew 10% of what most people here know about them.. most I have done is take apart my LQ9..

I'm not some Nissan guy here claiming my truck is better, I own a 2000 Z28 ls1 and 2002 Silverado 5.3 LS vehicles. So I have as much right here as you do.
. I'm also a Chevy guy and will defend the BB Chevy too. I know what they can do

love the ls engines.. but I'll not be blinded by thinking they are superior to all . close maybe!
when ones gets on any Chevy forum (LS, SBC BBC, 6cy, diesel etc) , and talks down a BBC expect a debate! Chevy guys defend Chevy's! Us older ones know what BBC can do as well as the LS.

here is my comparison. by a bad ass engine builder.
705 BBC NA on race gas. $32,000 1175 HP with 960 with race gas.
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/p...705bbc_nai.pdf
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a TT 454 lsx on pump gas $36,000 1175 HP with 1100 TQ using pump gas and 1650 HP with 1600
TQ using race gas at only 14 PSI
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/p..._454lsx_tt.pdf

Hmm i thing i would spent he extra 4k and go LSX look at the comparison from CI to HP ratio. Dont tell me this guy dont know his stuff.

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Originally Posted by SLO TRUCK

here is my comparison. by a bad ass engine builder.
705 BBC NA on race gas. $32,000 1175 HP with 960 with race gas.
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/p...705bbc_nai.pdf
OR
a TT 454 lsx on pump gas $36,000 1175 HP with 1100 TQ using pump gas and 1650 HP with 1600
TQ using race gas at only 14 PSI
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/p..._454lsx_tt.pdf

Hmm i thing i would spent he extra 4k and go LSX look at the comparison from CI to HP ratio. Dont tell me this guy dont know his stuff.

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Fine comparison.


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Originally Posted by scottyd2506

If this thread bothers you, why do you keep reading it, why do you keep posting on it???
You've not added anything to the 454 thread but argue the BBC vs LSXX yourself.
your mouthing off to others sitting behind your computer 1000 miles away. anytime someone is in a debate, you get mad and flame them as you have no ground to stand on.
look back at your posts.. all negative!

And yes you are correct, I don't know jack **** about LS engines, I with I knew 10% of what most people here know about them.. most I have done is take apart my LQ9..

I'm not some Nissan guy here claiming my truck is better, I own a 2000 Z28 ls1 and 2002 Silverado 5.3 LS vehicles. So I have as much right here as you do.
. I'm also a Chevy guy and will defend the BB Chevy too. I know what they can do

love the ls engines.. but I'll not be blinded by thinking they are superior to all . close maybe!
when ones gets on any Chevy forum (LS, SBC BBC, 6cy, diesel etc) , and talks down a BBC expect a debate! Chevy guys defend Chevy's! Us older ones know what BBC can do as well as the LS.

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I usually dont care about grammar, or punctuation, or anything really, but you give some guy hell about his then you type the abortion above and think its acceptable.....you sir are a moron :thumb:

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Originally Posted by SLO TRUCK

here is my comparison. by a bad ass engine builder.
705 BBC NA on race gas. $32,000 1175 HP with 960 with race gas.
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/p...705bbc_nai.pdf
OR
a TT 454 lsx on pump gas $36,000 1175 HP with 1100 TQ using pump gas and 1650 HP with 1600
TQ using race gas at only 14 PSI
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/p..._454lsx_tt.pdf
Hmm i thing i would spent he extra 4k and go LSX look at the comparison from CI to HP ratio. Dont tell me this guy dont know his stuff.

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Good point
The LSX engine is boosted though, the BBC is N/A.. There are also boosted Skyline and Supras with only 3.0 ltr engines -6 cyl that get 1500-2000 hp.. with a trillion tons of boost I might add.
the small block here needs boost to match or beat a BBC.. Nelson also has built 2000+ hp Big block Chevy street cars also. I know they know what they are doing.
I wouldn't argue the fact that I also would still love to have that boosted LSX ...tranny many not like it.

2000 hp BBC Street car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN6E-_0wXos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmrK3...eature=related

2200 hp street legal pump gas car! Aussis love power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtxfbxGz1u4

2100 hp BBC 509
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn7iT...eature=related

2366 hp BBC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzEqy...eature=related

2500 hp BBC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jkwt...eature=related

2600 hp BBC 57 Chevy
http://www.streetfire.net/video/2600...ock_637894.htm

3700 hp BBC
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...evy/index.html

BBC 2000 hp dime a dozen!!! not to be under estimated!


Once you go boosted the LSX and BBC are close to even. Although I am one of the people defending the BBC on this thtread, here are some bad *** lsx engines

Here is a tough LS1 car 2000+ hp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRJdCdZLRic

2500 hp Nelson Boosted LSX
http://nelsonracingengines.com/price..._454lsx_tt.pdf

I'm sure in a couple of years we will see 3000 hp boosted LSX's
Those heavy boosted import Skylines or Supras don't stand a chance.

BBC or LSX

Chevy rules

I thot big blocks where dyed long time go? Why is there some talking about it? They don't make good miles per gallon.

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Originally Posted by ChevyLee

I thot big blocks where dyed long time go? Why is there some talking about it? They don't make good miles per gallon.

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:spit:

as a LS1truck moderator i officially close this thread........

Damn that didn't work i guess that cause i'm not a Mod. Crap.

Man there's a lot of people on their periods This month

Three hundred!!!!!!! :woot:

look a butterfly http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YdS4XdJhpr...nds-785760.JPG


sorry, recently saw 'i am legend'

oh no, i didnt use quotes or capitalize

I think we've all gone mad. Seriously, shut the hell up about grammar and punctuation. I don't think anyone on this site is in a position to bust balls, especially when you look back through this thread. Keep your arguements directed towards the subject at hand, and stop acting like a nagging elementary school teacher.


Oh, and one other thing.........LS enjun make BBC enjun looks like poopoo and be exiled to boat anchor duty. Hardee har har

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Originally Posted by TDK08

So why dont we see more LS based 454's in trucks? Is the cost on the motor to high to want to put it in a truck?

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I think that motor is kinda expensive for most people. I also think if someone was looking to make that kind of power, they'd probably go with a private builder(or build it themselves) for cheaper and possibly make more power. I've heard of a few guys with the LSX454 shortblocks in their trucks though. Now that I think about it, I've heard of 4 or more cases of problems with the lifters or lifter bores or something like that....pretty much a flaw in the block. That was my initial reason for not putting one in my truck during the recent rebuild. Me personally, I think I can hit my personal goals with a smaller motor, so I don't see a need for spending big bucks on the 454LSX crate just yet. If I was looking to drop rediculous cubic inches in my truck I think I'd try a big block first, but I'm still a rookie so I don't know s!!t. By the way I'm a "all motor" guy, I'm not into power adders yet...if I was I'd choose a turbo LSX hands down.
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Why did this post go beyond one page of posts? The question was answered on the first page. It amazes me how people argue on the internet comparing apples to oranges the whole time. BBC 40+ year old technology. LS 15+ I would hope stock for stock a newer engine design would out perform an older engine design. It all comes down to budget, longevity, and preference. My god every one on here needs to pull their panties out of their asses and grow up. Now you have to prove your who you are and post pics of it? Gimme a break seriously, has anyone ever heard of the honor system? If you dont believe someone has what they say they have call them out in a new thread and pm them with the link so they know about it. That way everyone else doesnt have to read through 31 pages of BS before they post. I on the rare occasion i call someone out I start a new thread.


If i had the money I would build a 450+inch lsx simply because you can disguise over big block cubes as a iron block 5.3ls and win 95% of all street races you come up against and take all the money. If you have a big block it makes it hard to prey on agrumentative street punks that dont know any better. Almost everyone on the street fears a big block no matter what brand! However there seem to be quite a few on here that arent afraid to race a big block and there is nothing wrong with that. Some will loose and never learn, others will win and know to watch out next time.

If i really had the money I would build a 496 bbc and scare all would be street races with the sound! lol I bought an 85' c-10 short bed with a pos 454 in right after high school, it that was a lot of fun! i could never get anyone to race me when i opened the hood. When i finally blew it up the crank was 20/20 block was bored 60 it had some dished pistons, some flat tops and an rv 262 cam, like someone built it from swap meet parts! It wasnt anything to brag about by any means. It ran low 13's with welded up differential with 3.42 gears and a stock 400 that I had to let off for it to shift at 4500 rpm the engine was all out of breath at about 4500 rpm anyway. I had some 29x15.5 mikey thompson sportsman pro's that stuck out the fenders about 2 inches and it would leave two light black marks for about 10 feet just from punching it no stalling it up and I got 13 mpg no matter what. It was way more fun on the street than a 13 second truck should be, and stop light to stop light it was a terror! I dont know about anyone else but its hard to beat the low end torque of a big block with anything other than another big block. I didnt care about fuel mileage, i didnt care about how funny the tires looked sticking out, I didnt care about how big of a pos the engine acutally was, I didnt care about how much the engine weighed, i didnt care about oil leaks, I had a blast driving it and got a lot of respect on the street, especailly after dusting a z-28 or vette between stop lights...in a truck.

I would really like to see the torque under the curve of a ls based 454 and a bbc based 454 that are acutally somewhat comparable and I dont mean by using stock parts but by using components like heads that flow close to the same, same compression ratio, single plane intakes, hydraulic roller cams, and same carb set ups. Some might argue that stock rectangle heads are too big for a street big block so one with oval ports and rectangle ports would have to be built. Then maybe there would be a reason to argue, but then again its still apples to oranges. big block has canted valves ls has wedge style. big block has good ports and bad ports, ls has identical ports, big block has to run distributor ls doesnt, big block has extreamely heavy valve train, ls doesnt. big block has 65-70 pound crank ls doesnt. big block has heavy rods and pistons ls doesnt. those are just a few and all of them have been addressed in the 30+ years it took gm to put the ls into production.

I think the big block would make more torque especially with the oval ports and thats what you need on the street. It all depends on the purpose of the engine and what it was built to do. I could build a big block or an ls and be happy but for the street a big block is tough.

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Come on guys let this crap go already.

In before the lock!