$^%$^& Gm

+++1 on the chapter 11 the union has GM by the sac right now not totally the government and even though its partly GM's fault for giving them so much money in the first place the only way out is to file bankruptcy with any hope of running a successful company. . . .i say boo to GM :( get smart fast so maybe one day i can buy a new shiny bowtie for my kids lol

go outa biz so in 10 years i can sell my truck for 100 grand

The 2-mode doesn't help at all with MPG on the highway, it only helps stop and go MPG.

The Hummers are all gay and so is a half ton with a diesel. If we have learned anything from the last 4 years it's that diesels are a huge problem. It makes no sense to spend 30% more for a vehicle to get 6% better fuel mileage especially when the maintenance costs twice as much and the fuel is 10% more per gallon. Diesel customers are the hardest to deal with and so are their trucks.

It would have been cool to have diesel years ago in a half ton truck, but now that diesels are EPA regulated, screw that!

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The 2-mode doesn't help at all with MPG on the highway, it only helps stop and go MPG.

The Hummers are all gay and so is a half ton with a diesel. If we have learned anything from the last 4 years it's that diesels are a huge problem. It makes no sense to spend 30% more for a vehicle to get 6% better fuel mileage especially when the maintenance costs twice as much and the fuel is 10% more per gallon. Diesel customers are the hardest to deal with and so are their trucks.

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30% more!!! The Denali cost 50000. I saw a 6.6L dmax for 45000. I would rather save the extra 5 gs and have an engine ad trans combo that can handle the beatings of a lifetime. Besides, most people that own diesels use them for hauling cattle and farm equipment. But the commuter DD diesel is spreading like wildfire. Basic maintenance is more expensive but it is also half as often. And most diesels powertrains dont need major repairs for several 100k miles. Newer diesels also cause less emissions than gassers and get better mpgs (so the dems can shut their d@$% mouths). In most European countries, diesels are the standards. Our government is just too stupid to make the change.

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30% more!!! The Denali cost 50000. I saw a 6.6L dmax for 45000. I would rather save the extra 5 gs and have an engine ad trans combo that can handle the beatings of a lifetime. Besides, most people that own diesels use them for hauling cattle and farm equipment. But the commuter DD diesel is spreading like wildfire. Basic maintenance is more expensive but it is also half as often. And most diesels powertrains dont need major repairs for several 100k miles. Newer diesels also cause less emissions than gassers and get better mpgs (so the dems can shut their d@$% mouths). In most European countries, diesels are the standards. Our government is just too stupid to make the change.

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Yes, a RC 2500 gas is around $30K with no options. Add the diesel and auto (like 957 out of 1000 are) and the price jumps to over $40K.

My Denali stickered at $51K. I bought it at almost 5 years old with only 68K miles for $16K. I have nothing in it. There is no comparison other than it tows just about what a 2500 6.0 does from 2003 and is a lot nicer. Most people that own Duramax's tow a bass boat that my Blazer with 212K miles can tow...if they tow at all. BTW, I'm rural and am near the largest (money wise) quarter horse region in the nation, one of the largest (by land production) regions of oil and gas industries, as well as cattle, farm, and ranch.

Basic maintenance on a light duty diesel (one ton and less) is between four and five times more expensive and needs done at half the interval so you save negative two and a quarter times the money :LOL: Add the fact the fuel costs more than MPG savings gives you and it's very obvious that the only good market for a light duty 350-400 HP, 600-650 TQ diesel is a business owner that has its own shop for maintenance and plans to tow/haul at least 70% of the time while keeping each unit for at least 200K miles.

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Yes, a RC 2500 gas is around $30K with no options. Add the diesel and auto (like 957 out of 1000 are) and the price jumps to over $40K.

My Denali stickered at $51K. I bought it at almost 5 years old with only 68K miles for $16K. I have nothing in it. There is no comparison other than it tows just about what a 2500 6.0 does from 2003 and is a lot nicer. Most people that own Duramax's tow a bass boat that my Blazer with 212K miles can tow...if they tow at all. BTW, I'm rural and am near the largest (money wise) quarter horse region in the nation, one of the largest (by land production) regions of oil and gas industries, as well as cattle, farm, and ranch.

Basic maintenance on a light duty diesel (one ton and less) is between four and five times more expensive and needs done at half the interval so you save negative two and a quarter times the money :LOL: Add the fact the fuel costs more than MPG savings gives you and it's very obvious that the only good market for a light duty 350-400 HP, 600-650 TQ diesel is a business owner that has its own shop for maintenance and plans to tow/haul at least 70% of the time while keeping each unit for at least 200K miles.

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I understand what you are saying, why would a guy who works at some office need a 6.6L diesel to tow around a 500 pound trailer grille or whatever. I agree. No one needs that. But people are willing to spend the money. These are things that got us in this financial mess. I am willing to spend the money on a smaller diesel, but i am gonna use it to its potential.